also I feel like Scion of the Ur-Dragon IS the backup plan, replacing scion with Atraxa and diluting your deck as a different back up plan sounds like a recipe for failure, now, if some one comes up with a way to have atraxa contribute to the combo plan THEN I think we could look at a combo atraxa.

Just a newb tho, could be totally wrong

atraxa is mainly only useful for adding charge and storage counters (and the like) for fast free mana. The backup of atraxa HD tends to be blue sun(lilbrudder's secondary win), or decking opponents out (my tertiary win con)

Any Rashmi List? Here is my preliminary test list, note that it is not a cutthroat list but more of a friendly list that I want to be strong. I'm kinda new to EDH, this is my first deck so any advice appreciated.

1 Rashmi, Eternities Crafter

1 Vendilion Clique

1 Rhystic Study

1 Worldly Tutor

1 Mystic Remora

1 Defense of the Heart

1 Mana Drain

1 Strionic Resonator

1 Braingeyser

1 Primal Command

1 Verdant Catacombs

1 Maze of Ith

1 Arcane LIghthouse

5 Island

3 Forest

1 Botanical Sanctum

1 Wooded Foothills

1 Yavimaya Hollow

1 Scalding Tarn

1 Desertion

1 Windswept Heath

1 Recurring Insight

1 Polluted Delta

1 Time Stop

1 Tolaria West

1 Flooded Strand

1 Myriad Landscape

1 Blighted Cateract

1 Ancient Tomb

1 Reflecting Pool

1 Halimar Depths

1 Flooded Grove

1 Krosan Grip

1 Misty Rainforest

1 Yavimaya Coast

1 Simic Growth Chamber

1 Pongify

1 Reliquary Tower

1 Mana Reflection

1 Temple of Mystery

1 Command Tower

1 Hinterland Harbor

1 Tropical Island

1 Breeding Pool

1 Fact or Fiction

1 Mulldrifter

1 Mystic Confluence

1 Scroll Rack

1 Acidic Slime

1 Thought Vessel

1 Metallurgic Summonings

1 Skyshroud Claim

1 Torrential Gearhulk

1 Sol Ring

1 Palinchron

1 Trinket Mage

1 Snapcaster Mage

1 Glen Elendra Archmage

1 Simic Signet

1 Mana Crypt

1 Fabricate

1 Gilded Drake

1 Devastation Tide

1 Beast Within

1 Rapid Hybridization

1 Helm of Awakening

1 Venser, Shaper Savant

1 Force of Will

1 Burgeoning

1 Tooth and Nail

1 Lightning Greaves

1 Kodama's Reach

1 Cultivate

1 Cryptic Command

1 Farseek

1 Green Sun's Zenith

1 Panharmonicon

1 Leyline of Anticipation

1 Birthing Pod

1 Consecrated Sphinx

1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir

1 Oracle of Mul Daya

1 Eternal Witness

1 Temporal Mastery

1 Solemn Simulacrum

1 Deadeye Navigator

1 Merchant Scroll

1 Mind's Dilation

1 Mystical Tutor

1 Seedborn Muse

1 Sylvan Library

1 Sensei's Divining Top

1 Jace The Mind Sculptor

1 Future Sight

Idk if this was already mentioned, but what if for each of the fifteen partner commanders, we find out which partner or partners work best with that commander, and then put those duos in the description?

WerewolvesLover Please in the future just put a link to your deck list. Just listing it out in a comment box is close to unreadable and this comment section gets long really fast as it is.

yeah, Gigi beast you need to wipe all the comments soon, it's becoming a pain

Not sure if it helps but I believe the tazri list was a food chain one from like 3 months back. Also, I thought we had him as t1 before so what do you mean moving up to tier 2? lastly, I think I have a decent enough HD atraxa list to possibly move it to tier 2. Goldfishing gave an expected win of about 3.85 with a standard deviation of .8529 so might be worth looking into. It was also mirrored in lilbrudder's thrasios and tymna list soo it seems usable. thoughts? hope this doesnt violate the rules of self promoting and self biases.

My list: atraxa

lilbrudder's list: Thrasios 4 color HD prototype

Something that I discovered while brewing Breya I think is a bit silly broken.

Mana Echoes gives you 5 mana when you play Breya on an empty board. If displacer is in play the first flicker gives you 9 mana for a total of 11

Along with KCI and Altar this gives us 3 ways to win with displacer/mantle. Even if we don't have those that's a MASSIVE amount of mana.

Tazri: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/food-chain-tazri/

So, for those still wondering about yidris, a very knowledgeable person on the matter of storm, Mr. Moxnix himself, made a video explaining which is better and why. So i hope that video will answer everything everyone keeps stating.Video Here

Breya, Etherium Shaper is a pretty solid tier two general, but I feel that she could potentially take a tier one spot if Affinty were viable in the EDH format. I played Affinity in the Mirrodin block, and it was incredibly fast and outright broken. In fact, they banned quite a few cards from that set. But I digress, I think Breya's eligibility on Tier one status depends on how viable an Affinity deck could be in the EDH format. Does anyone agree?

Also, I have a submission for the tier two list: Sliver Overlord in The Queen's Egg

Ive found that affinity (or at least artifact based commanders) tend to be fairly strong and need effort to be taken down for good.sharuum was strong, daretti is fine, kurkesh gets wild, etc. I still feel as though sharuum has some advantages over breya in its own abilities but I cannot deny both strengths (time to re-add some torpor orbs and hushwing griffs to regain balance)

Breya has the utility and she can just kill the table if certain combos are in effect. Shruum takes specific cards. Hard to say really

both kill the table and both use similar cards. sharuum typically wins through: labman, bitter ordeal for a trillion, or simple alter milling. both are very similar, just breya adds red. Not sure yet if that is worthy of an upgrade to t1 or not yet.

Red does give a few utility cards, not the least being cards like Gamble and Wheel of Fortune. As I mentioned before Mana Echoes is also stupidly good with Breya as it enables massive mana gains for very little effort.

Their combos though are very different in that you don't have to devote slots to cards like Disciple of the Vault or Bitter Ordeal or LabMan who are only really good when you're going off. Breya focuses on mana and flicker combos which can be played as goodstuff until you go off. This does somewhat reduce dead cards since your main wincondition is your actual factual general rather than something that the general helps to enable.

Just a personal opinion here though.

(As a side note Marionette Master seems HILARIOUS as a Ashnods/KCI/Echoes + Displacer/Deathmantle loop victim for less competitive versions.)

Moxnix's opinions and reasoning on Jeleva vs Yidris just seem... wrong.

"Adding green means you have to increase your land count."

This statement makes little sense, has no justification, and is false. Adding green opens up more options for efficient, powerful ramp like BoP and Carpet of Flowers. it by no means forces a higher total mana source count.

"Yidris doesn't really get you anything useful."

Apparently ramp, card advantage, tutors, and a massively increased storm count are no longer considered useful in Storm.

I hate to say it, but Moxnix isn't a great source of competitive information any more. Whether it's misinformation or raw unrestrained bias, he's spouting nonsense. Back in the day he did a huge amount of work for Jeleva, but his decklists and outlook are out of date.

Not sticking up for Mox, per se, but you didn't really back up your assertions yourself. The only thing that matters is playtesting, and a lot of it. Adding an extra color does a whole lot of things that change consistency in the deck. That color may make up for those changes, or it may not.

Unless you're sitting with playtests that show that Yidris is certifiably better/more consistent, then it is not exactly fair for you to rip him over his opinion that Grixis is better than Null-W for Storm.

If we are just looking at the pros and cons of Jeleva vs. Yidris as commanders for Storm:

Jeleva can be ramped out using Sol Ring or Mana Crypt, which you can't do with Yidris so he's more likely to come out a turn slower on average than Jeleva. Jeleva gives you (potential) access to additional cards without any other card or mana investment, whereas with Yidris you need to cast other spells to benefit from his ability. Jeleva has built-in evasion and only needs to attack for you to get a free spell off her, while Yidris needs to attack and land combat damage before you get his effect.

However, Yidris has a big enough body that it is conceivable that he can take out an opponent through combat damage, his ability is better for chaining spells, and he gives you access to green.

So the big argument is about the benefit that playing green brings to a storm build. Mana ramp is a big plus for having green, but what would be worth including when most of the spells you want to cast don't need green mana? Birds of Paradise and Deathrite Shaman offer good colour-fixing for 1 mana, while Carpet of Flowers, Burgeoning, and Exploration potentially offer huge mana acceleration over the first few turns. The downside of running Burgeoning and Exploration is that their benefit depends on you having land cards in hand for them to do anything, which may be where Moxnix's comment about needing a higher land count came from. Honestly though, all Burgeoning or Exploration has to do is get just one addition land out early to be worth the mana spent on them, so I'm not sure how much that conflicts with Storm's low land count.

Mana dorks that just produce green mana like Llanowar Elves seem slow for what you get since they don't colour-fix well in the deck and don't offer an immediate mana return to keep a Storm spell chain going, although I suppose having something at 1 mana to cascade into that can also potentially help ramp the next turn isn't a horrible deal. I don't know, I may be undervaluing their usefulness in a Storm shell so feel free to correct me.

So what else does green offer Storm? I've seen cards like Noxious Revival mentioned. Would Manamorphose be worth a slot? For players who put more emphasis on the Doomsday kill, Leovold, Emissary of Trest is a jank option that offers protection for Laboratory Maniac and could take advantage of the Storm deck's wheel effects to cripple the opponents' hands. I honestly don't know what else in green would be useful if you are aiming for a quick storm kill, so if there is anyone with more ideas then please chime in.

Along with Noxious Revival you also get the other Regrowth clones which I can imagine are great.

What did we decide about Partner re: adding them to the list?