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Bearer of the Heavens
Creature — Giant
When Bearer of Heaven dies, destroy all permanents at the beginning of the next end step.
Idoneity on How Did WotC Allow Combustion …
2 months ago
Okay. I mean, Red does this an awful lot for it to be a break. All across the history of Magic too.
Storm Fleet Arsonist, Silverclad Ferocidons, Misguided Rage, Bearer of the Heavens, and Akki Underminer. These are recent and old effects that enable Red to theoretically remove an enchantment if the opponent so chooses.
Breaking Point is a Wrath of God which is definitely outside Red's typical scope of options. Molten Influence just counters a spell. But they delegate control of the effect to the opponent, so they work.
I'm not bringing up anything new to this discuss; it's all divulged above. Just wanted to demonstrate both the vastitude and variety of Red punisher effects, all throughout Magic.
Epidilius on Infinite Rulings
10 months ago
Tsukimi You're right, that was poorly worded, sorry. It is how I would approach my group with something like this though, I really do miss that kind of Timmy magic lol. Sacrificing Bottle Gnomes with Glissa, the Traitor *oversized* and Grave Pact was peak Magic for our group way back when.
But for the "Is it mass land destruction" thing, imo that is the problem that needs to be solved for every restriction. Is it MLD if I can recur and activate Ghost Quarter 80 times a turn? Is it MLD if I sacrifice Bearer of the Heavens while I have Avacyn, Angel of Hope in play? Where is the line drawn? That is why it is also my opinion that the best way to handle things would just be "Hey guys, no MLD or MLD like effects please" and trust the group.
I'm also not really trying to find a definitive solution, as I don't think there is one, but discussing Magic is fun haha
Epidilius on Infinite Rulings
10 months ago
Sorry, wasn't trying to come off as dismissive of the whole reason for the post. But, well, even those rules you've listed now are vague. Even just the "No MLD" rules brings up a ton of questions. Does that include Bearer of the Heavens, or Life and Limb + Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth + Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, or even just a bunch of "You get an extra land drop" cards + Crucible of Worlds + Ghost Quarter?
Trying to change the fundamentals of Magic gameplay is complicated. The MTG comp rules is 905 "main" rules (plus who knows how many sub-rules) for a reason haha.
If I were asked to write the rules for this tournament, I would say
"We want battlecruisery and unoptimized Magic, like we played when we first started. This is the spirit of what we are aiming for. No efficient tutors, no fast mana, no MLD, and combos can only trigger once per turn. Here some decks that showcase the level of power we are aiming for (each with a different archetype):
- Example Deck 1
- Example Deck 2
- Example Deck 3
If you are unsure if something crosses the line (eg, Farseek, Increasing Ambition, etc), ask and the entire playgroup can weigh in. If something comes up during a game, we'll figure it out then."
But even with all that, these rules wouldn't affect one of my close friend's Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder
deck. It doesn't combo, doesn't have tutors, doesn't have Mana Vault, but it can get a quick Ydris into play and start generating tons of value pretty early, by casting multiple expensive spells every turn cycle. It violates the spirit of the ask, but unless I write a multi page document it won't violate the rules as written. Unless, of course, he were to play in good faith and say "I know this deck meets the rules as written but not as intended," which I believe he would.
DemonDragonJ on How Are Red, Black, and …
1 year ago
legendofa, I certainly understand that, but how should red and green, the enemy colors of blue, be able to deal with counterspells, in that case?
Also, I very much believe that both Worldfire and Bearer of the Heavens are color pie breaks (I shall forgive Obliterate and Decree of Annihilation due to their ages), so I definitely can see your perspective, on this matter.
pookypuppy6 on Favorite EDH Cards
1 year ago
@Gleeock: The Obliterate I pair it with specifically is Bearer of the Heavens. Here's my deck, it's my fave deck at the moment: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/titan-towers-the-repocalypse-1/
BlueStar220 on
Marchesa, the Black Rose
1 year ago
Ender666666
Keldon Firebombers can be good. But I would rather it also destroy artifacts and creatures. For this deck, I think the more it can reset the board, the better. I actually used to have four land destruction cards in the deck: Jokulhaups, Devastation, Obliterate, and Bearer of the Heavens.
But since I have so many draw and search cards in the deck, I'm actually able to very consistently obtain a land wipe. After many games, I've noticed that I would often end up with two or more MLD in my hand. At that point, the excess were just duds. So I decided to remove Devastation and Bearer of the Heavens to make room for cheaper cards that were more useful. After lowering the average CMC, I was also able to put in more non land cards. Which I also felt made it better.
I've looked at your deck, and I think it's VERY good. I especially liked the combos you have in the deck. My deck doesn't really have too many permanents that are sac outlets, so I probably wouldn't be using those specific combos. Which I'm ok with, since I like keeping +1 counters on my creatures to prep for a MLD.
It's just a different way of winning. But again, very good job on the Marchesa deck!
Metroid_Hybrid on Are Worldfire and Bearer of …
2 years ago
@FormOverFunction: Note that Worldfire was printed in the set immediately before Return to Ravnica (the earliest set allowed in the newer Pioneer format), and later on, Bearer of the Heavens was printed in the second-to-last set with "Modern" frames.
These are hardly "older cards" in the context in which you speak. Or in other words: wrong era for that argument. The OP is discussing late-Modern-era cards of 9~11 years ago, not the sometimes insane cards that came out of the mid-90's; 25~30 years ago..
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