Budget Deck Tricks (Open to suggestions)
Posted on May 11, 2018, 1:57 p.m. by Flooremoji
Path to Exile targeting your wallet? Shattering Spree turned into a spending spree? Here is some help! Path to Exile-Condemn Shattering Spree-By Force. I seem to have forgotten more off them. Oust and Declaration in Stone instead of path, Thoughtseize into Inquisition of Kozilek into Blackmail into Duress. Witchbane Orb as opposed to Leyline of Sanctity. Sowing Salt or Crumble to Dust.
WHAT HAPPENED TO SHATTERING SPREE O.O WHY IS IT EVEN THAT EXPENSIVE?!?!?!?
May 11, 2018 2:10 p.m.
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May 11, 2018 2:48 p.m.
MegaMetagrossWell shattering spree is a few years old and sees a lot of play. Both is not true for by force.
By force can be countered by one single counterspell and you need a separate counterspell for each copy of shatterung spree.
May 11, 2018 3:18 p.m.
Shattering Spree has one advantage over By Force which is not insignificant--Replicate is vastly superior to "Destroy X." Replicate gives you options--say your opponent has Grafdigger's Cage in play, and you need that card to be removed promptly. With By Force you have to pay a minimum of to destroy that single artifact and you're susceptible to Force of Will.
MTGGoldfish lists 10% of Vintage decks running it.
May 11, 2018 3:23 p.m.
lukas96 im probably not worried about counterspells coming from an artifact heavy deck. the best example of an artifact based deck in modern is affinity, which to my knowledge does not use counterspells. By Force can be used in a much greater variety of decks.
May 11, 2018 3:27 p.m.
cdkime you do realize this is a modern forum right? meaning i will never be susceptible to Force of Will. perhaps look at the type of forum more carefully next time. By Force has an advantage that is far more significant than a measly cost reduction of 1 mana. it can be used in a far greater variety of decks. say your opponent has multiple artifacts in play, and you're not using a mono-red deck. obviously you would prefer the By Force in that situation.
May 11, 2018 3:31 p.m.
Except the point you raised was not the comparative viability in Modern, but rather why By Force cost less than Shattering Spree. Providing an answer on the issue of relative cost requires looking to other formats--formats where Force of Will is highly relevant.
Regarding their viability in Modern, I'd probably lean toward By Force as well--but that's not the issue you raised.
May 11, 2018 3:35 p.m.
Well sadly for you but affinity sideboards actually have counterspells in the sideboard. It also can targez the same permanent multiple times and desttoy a chalice that way for example which is relevant sometimes
May 11, 2018 3:36 p.m.
cdkime dont play word games dude. obviously i was talking strictly modern since this is a modern forum.
May 11, 2018 3:38 p.m.
lukas96: yeah idk about you but i build my sideboard to counter an opponents mainboard, not to play guessing games and counter their sideboard.
May 11, 2018 3:40 p.m.
If you cant ppay around counters or regeneration/counterspell against affinity or pantern your sideboard is simply not very good
May 11, 2018 3:45 p.m.
lukas96 lol way to intentionally misinterpret and misrepresent what i said. i never said i couldn't. at all. at any point in time. what i said was that i don't build a sideboard with the mindset of "whats in my opponents sideboard?". i build a sideboard to counter their MAINboard. it'd be foolish to go into sideboard construction trying to think "oh i gotta have counters to their counters so i can sideboard while i sideboard". i'd rather focus on countering the 36-40 spells in their mainboard than the 6-maybe 10 spells they sideboard in.
May 11, 2018 3:52 p.m.
May 11, 2018 3:57 p.m.
Thats absolutely what i was talking about. If you dont take into account that proactive decks sideboard to fight sibeboard cards of their opponent when you make your card choices your SB is simply not optimal.
But its not the.place to discuss how we build our sideboard
May 11, 2018 4 p.m.
By force might be the better choice if you dont play alot of red or a budget choice but its certainly not circumstantially bwtter than spree
May 11, 2018 4:02 p.m.
IMO we sideboard much better if we consider what our opp is going to sideboard in, than if we only consider their mainboard.
A good example might be Slivers vs. UR Control. No matter what happens Game 1, we know our opp is going to bring in Blood Moon post-board and mulligian for them aggressively because they're really good against us. Do we bring in extra Manaweft Slivers or Harmonic Slivers if we've got 'em in the side? Maybe, maybe not. But we should at least consider it.