Paradox Scepter Storm: cEDH Primer

Commander / EDH* Lilbrudder

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Getting trim to increase consistency —Jan. 24, 2017

Past in Flames -> Snapcaster Mage: This is an easy replacement as I honestly cannot remember the last time I cast past in flames in any test run. I may end up cutting snapcaster too.

Force of Will->Mental Misstep: I know... blasphemy. This makes sense thematically, however. Mental misstep doesnt cost me additional cards, doesnt get stuck in my hand, doesnt blast me for 5 off ad naus and can even help with my paradox storm by countering my own 1 mana spells (dorks) for free. Also most cEDH decks run tons of one mana spells like me.

Transmute Artifact-> Urza's Bauble: Transmute is a counterproductive and mana color intensive tutor that often gets stuck in hand. Its the worst tutor in the deck and Mishra's Bauble has been great so I am doubling down. I may eventually go with a 1 mana egg like Chromatic Star since it color fixes and draws on my combo turn but more testing will need to happen first.

With these changes my avg casting cost is now 1.71

Atony1400 says... #1

I love the idea! I'll add it to my primer folder!

January 20, 2017 7:31 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #2

Thank you. Happy brewing :-)

January 20, 2017 10:42 p.m.

Suasion says... #3

It's as early as T1, don't sell the isochron reversal short :D You gotta update that description to "wins any turn"

Mana Crypt, Mox Opal, Mana Vault, Dramatic reversal, Isochron Scepter

Play rocks, imprint scepter with reversal -> infinite mana. Mox opal taps for blue and then green -> Thrasios -> win

January 21, 2017 8:58 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #4

Bolsheviktory: You are absolutely correct good sir :-) Mea Culpa! I will ammend this disservice to the combo immediately.

False modesty doesn't suit me anyways lol I will copy and paste your comment into my desciption unless you object.

January 21, 2017 9:24 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #5

What do you all think of Training Grounds? It allows the Thrasios combo to go off real easy and makes him into a decent draw engine. Too cute?

January 21, 2017 9:44 p.m.

Suasion says... #6

By all means :D

I've been testing my own Thrasios: Thrasios Kydele Test and Training grounds has been very sweet. I will probably want to get black in there for tutors/ad naus/necro.

January 21, 2017 10:34 p.m.

enpc says... #7

An interesting card I have been considering for Paradox Engine is Raven's Crime. It's ok disruption but it lets you pitch your lands to retrace and keep the engine going. Oona's Grace is another retrace spell that nets you cards.

January 22, 2017 1:44 a.m.

Lilbrudder says... #8

Bolsheviktory: Your list is very good. I do agree that black tutors/ advantage is too good to pass up.

enpc: The retrace cards are very interesting. Being able to dump lands often comes in handy, unfortunately Thrasios doesn't bring any lands to hand. It gets bonus points for being castable from the graveyard. Raven's Crime is particularly useful since it allows us to get way ahead on mana with paradox engine.

So now another question. The thrasios+top+engine combo is proving to be pretty damn good. So adding more redundancy is something I want to do. Adding training grounds is one way I have built around the combo, however, I am also looking to add either Voltaic Key or Kiora's Follower. Key is an artifact so it doesnt have summoning sickness and it plus top and engine goes off for just 2 additional mana worth of rocks/dorks. The only issue is its just ok outside that capacity Follower has summoning sickness, but its the best possible 2 mana dork. It can tap for any color (most times) or up to 2-3 mana. It also can draw my deck with top+engine and just 1 mana worth of rocks/dorks. Thoughts?

January 22, 2017 10:35 a.m.

z2aaa says... #9

lilbrudder ur a a$$ lol in good way lol i played this 5 times and havnt lost the amount of salt is real omg

January 22, 2017 6:32 p.m.

Gimme food, gimme fries, gimme salad on the sides.

January 22, 2017 10:03 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #11

z2aaa: Muhahahahaha! I am glad to see you are continuing to spread misery my friend. Harvest some more salty tears for me.

Alright Voltaic Key is a winner. Kiora's Follower is winmore. As iamyoona made me realize with Zhur-Taa Druid, 2 drop mana dorks are unplayable for a build like this. I think the key to the early win with Engine is 0 drop artifacts. I am now testing Mishra's Bauble. It helps me get ahead on early card advantage with t1-2 wheels and triggers engine after I tap out to cast it so I can starm storming. It also makes my deck functionally smaller. It is always relevant and literally costs nothing.

Temur_Frontier: :-)

January 22, 2017 10:17 p.m. Edited.

Dunadain says... #12

I won in the playtest by infinetly looping Regrowth and Noxious Revival worth mentioning in the primer?

January 23, 2017 3:20 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #13

Possibly. How did you do that? Thrasios scry 1+draw?

January 23, 2017 3:52 p.m.

Dunadain says... #14

yup

January 23, 2017 4:21 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #15

Dunadain: Well then yes I will add it as it speaks to the versatility of Engine+Thrasios. Thank you for the insight :-)

January 23, 2017 8:40 p.m.