I had used board wipes before, but I instead liked permanent solutions to creatures since boards can just redevelop after a board wipe. Tutors are nice, but I don't know what I'd take out since I want the gimmick in this deck to be all 48 planeswalkers...

Interesting deck. +1

Have you thought about using the check lands? With 15 of your lands having basic land types, I imagine that they would come into play untapped quite reliably.

The only lands I could take out are the filter lands, and those are just too good in this deck because off the lands that Don't tap for more than one color of mana. Thanks for the suggestions and the +1 though! :)

I just noticed it but you run 34 lands. You may want to add at least 4 more lands so you won't be begging for lands when you don't draw into them.

I really like the deck, but I have two main suggestions... Do you really have to run EVERY walker ever printed? I bet you're gonna run into situations where you have a Garruk out and two garruk's in hand.

Also, there are a few walkers that synergize well with a specific card type. Like Nissa Revane and elves. You run 1 elf and run nissa? Think about Garruk, Caller of Beasts . You run 4 creatures. When are you going to +1 him for value?

Just some food for thought. +1

Phaetion, I'm actually thinking about. Bringing up the land count to 37 (lots of complicated math that took about two days to do) is going to be the best ratio for EDH/Commander. I do include sol ring as a land since it's basically better, but I want to wait to add the two extra lands once I get another planeswalker to add.

TheGamer, I thought about switching to just the good walkers, but as long as there are 61 or less, I can literally run them all. It's not as good, but it's more fun and gets rid of the stigma people have with superfriends decks being a collection of really good planeswalkers. It's more fair to other players if I just run all 48. It's derpy that way.

Also, it is true that a lot of players are nerfed by the build, but it compensates for the fact that some cards are broken for this build. Give some, take some.

I think once we have 63 or more planeswalkers, I will convert it to just some walkers, but while I have the opportunity to play all of them, I want to do that because it has that coolness factor to it.

I'm sure you are aware of this, but Blood Moon screws you pretty bad. As do From the Ashes and Ruination . Those are the only cards that I have seen run as non-basic hate in EDH. There are more, but they are niche and one sided enough to cause someone to become a target for playing them.

When the time comes when there's 60+ planeswalkers, how will you use them all (since that is the theme)? Would you rotate them out each game? Take X amount of planeswalkers at random?

I've been having this thought with my own deck but that's besides the point. Only keeping the good walkers will have players give you the "superfriends stigma." Maybe a solution will come at that point but who knows when?

I personally wouldn't put the "superfriends stigma" on someone for cutting Tibalt or Old Nissa. So he has until he has to cut more than 2 to make the decision.

Disclaimer: I know Nissa Revane has people who like her. She just isn't useful in any deck I can think of. She is too slow for elves and absolutely useless in any other deck.

Gidgetimer, the way I see it, I have two options:

1. I can build with the expectation someone will play one of those three cards and replace the ten filterlands with two of each basic. That would triple the amount of basics I have. The downside is that I get color screwed more than three times as much, since now my basics will always tap for that color (Mountain + Graven Cairns = BB).

2. I can leave the deck the way it is and sacrifice the fact that those three cards can mana screw/color screw me for the rest of the game in order to get a much, much lower percentage of color screw when a mono red deck (probably the only deck that would run any of those cards) isn't playing/isn't playing those cards.

The way I see it, building around those three cards (and Magus of the Moon too) would be a poor decision because it would be sacrificing a huge amount of color consistency in every game to get a little more color/land consistency in the games when an effect like that is played. Fetch lands help, but I tend to get mana screwed in a format where big mana is good because they thin out my deck, and I want to draw lands so that I don't need to run ramp, therefore letting me play more planeswalkers and planeswalker support cards.

Phaetion (and Gidgetimer again lol), I have thought about it, and I think this will probably be my solution: I start playing my two favorites of each planeswalker type and simply collect all the other cards on the side.

The randomness idea seems like fun, but a little too much work. I'm feeling lazy about it lol.

Another option is to go to a non five color combo. Bant walkers seems like my cup of tea.

The last option is to cut planeswalkers based on a certain criteria. What I've thought so far is this, with any planeswalker getting cut if they don't have one of these qualities:

1. An ultimate than wins the game.
2. A non minus ability that makes tokens.
3. An ability that generates card advantage (hand and/or battlefield).

Anything without one of those criteria (both Nissas, Koth, newest Jace, etc.) would get cut.

Tibalt's ultimate is definitely a winner, so I kinda like him here, but I'd cut anything without one of those criteria fulfilled if I had to make a choice.

So I've got some options for sure, but for now, I'll just cross that bridge when I get there.

Yeah, all 5 color decks have to worry about the things I mentioned. Its just something to bear in mind. EDH is very meta-dependent and as such most of the time you don't have to worry about worst case scenarios. You aren't going to see nonbasic hate much but it is good to think about what your options would be if some does show up.

The simplest fix would be to either drop the allied or enemy filters for 5 more basics since From the Ashes is by far the most prevalent of them. or you could drop 3 of the Island or Plains shocks as well as the 2 lands you are planning on adding to get 5 more basics. As I said I'm sure you are aware of the problem, as anyone who builds 5 color is. But it may be worth a little thought. As an aside I see this being more collateral damage from your playgroup hating out another deck than any hate directed at you. This deck I see durdling for like 30 turns, and if you get a win it is probably going to be hard fought.

Yeah, my meta doesn't run any MLD or Blood Moon effects, because those people tend to get hated out real fast.

If KTK has lands with multiple land types, I may drop the shocklands for bolt lands (some have speculated, I'm just considering it as an option) or whatever else they have. The basics, artifact lands, Sol Ring , and Dryad Arbor are too necessary to the deck, and because of their very limited options as to colors, I kinda have to run all ten filters. If we get lands with three basic land types, I'd replace the shock lands with those if they have a way to come in untapped. As for right now, the two lands I want to add are Mana Confluence and either Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or Tarnished Citadel .

As for your last point, it was like that at first, but the more I played, the more win cons I saw, and so I've cut that time in half pretty much! :)

Well that is cool. Another aside, and maybe I should put this on the video instead of on the deck since it is about the video. Your sleeves showed up really cloudy and as such it is a bit hard to see the cards. I don't know if it is the sleeves or the lighting, but you may want to check and make sure that the cards are clearly visible when you do deck videos in the future.

I like how you just laid the cards out at a set distance and didn't try to zoom really close on them taking us to auto-focus hell. But as I said the cloudiness of the sleeves detracted from video quality.

Thanks! I think it's cause they're double sleeved... Not to mention the bigger sleeves are made with a weird material that is cloudier than normal

I have found that I need 2 more mana source cards, so Birds of Paradise and Murmuring Bosk are going to be finding a spot each. (This is because I did a whole bunch of math and found that 37 mana sources is optimal. I can explain it, but that's beyond the scope of this comment.) Also, I miss the power of Thrummingbird , so I will be putting it in as well.

Additionally, so far, I know for certain that Sorin, Solemn Visitor , Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker , and Narset, Enlightened Master will be going in the deck as well, so I'm looking for cards to take out to make room for these three and the two cards in the above section. However, since those cards are not yet legal in commander, the three cards I will be removing once they are will be Magus of the Moat , Mystic Barrier , and Ensnaring Bridge , so for now, Dueling Grounds , Humility , and Silent Arbiter will be leaving for Birds of Paradise , Murmuring Bosk , and Thrummingbird .

Decree of Annihilation kills everything...except planeswalkers.

But, but... No lands means I can't cast more planeswalkers D:

On turn 10 I'm sure it'll be worth it.

I'm sure it'd be great, but it's both rather expensive and kinda off-flavor. It's also in the opposite direction of my primary objective: HAVING ALL THE PLANESWALKERS!

Speaking of all the Planeswakers, I'm sure you've considered Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker and Sorin, Solemn Visitor , correct? It's a stupid question (as you might have already seen them) but I thought I might bring Khans to your attention.

Yeah, I have seen them, and I've decided to take out Magus of the Moat , Ensnaring Bridge , and Mystic Barrier for the two of them and Narset, Enlightened Master .

is this intended for 1v1, multiplayer or both?