Zur gets around stax pretty well.

Yeah they changed the highest tier from tier 0 to tier 1 in the last update I believe, it took me a while to notice it myself.

Also I wouldn't necessarily say Zur gets around Stax pretty well considering different Stax effects hit different things. Zur wouldn't be able to win under a Rule of Law, Arcane Laboratory, and even Damping Sphere to an extent because Storm and Doomsday combos die to that sort of hate. Common Hatebear threats like Aven Mindcensor and Leonin Arbiter make its triggered ability a bit awkward, and a commander like Derevi could consistently keep Zur tapped down to prevent Zur from even attacking. I wouldn't flat out say "X gets around Stax pretty well" because Stax comes in many different forms and can hate a vast variety of targets. It really all depends on what the Stax player is packing. Zur wouldn't care if a Torpor Orb hit the board, but he would need to find an out quick if Rule of Law did for example.

I get your point Dango, but Zur is certainly better fit to fight stax decks than most commanders because he can search out cards like grasp of fate, or necropotence which can help find cards to bounce the stax pieces. But yeah, stax does have a pretty wide variety. I should not have said he gets around stax easily, but that he has better access to tools for dealing with hate cards.

Yidris fights tax pretty well, which is storm's biggest enemy after Rule of Law

Soren841 you still have to pay additional costs onto cascaded spells, so Yidris kinda sucks against stax.

SynergyBuild not really, because it's like 1 mana tops for an extra spell, and a much better chance to hit removal.

It's all pretty subjective really. Yidris might be able to manage a Sphere of Resistance or Thorn of Amethyst, but a Trinisphere dropped early could be hard to work with on top of other taxing effects. The taxing effects of Damping Sphere are almost just as good as a Rule of Law on the field most of the time too. The green Yidris has access too is really helpful though because he gets access to Nature's Claim and other green artifact/enchantment removal in addition to red's artifact removal as well which gives him a bit of an edge against Stax as opposed to other Storm decks because he tends to have more answers to it.

Also Mizzix is more combo than storm. He (she? idk) aims to cheat in ETI, mainly with Mizzix' Mastery. There's multiple lines making use of Mizzix' ability, including some interesting Intuition lines, but I don't think it has enough to be Competitive tier.

What? Omnath of mana is competitive! He's absurdly powerful. Just crank up the mana and give him infect or trample or trample or more trample and more mana.

vasarto77 then watch as you lose all of your mana and work because one player had Chain of Vapor during your combat step.

Yeah, Omnath is bad Selvala, Heart of the Wilds and really bad Yisan, the Wanderer Bard.

vasarto77 you're making subjective points without any legitimate backing to it. Also are you arguing for Omnath, Locus of Mana or Angry Omnath? Or are you arguing for both? That's very unclear to me.

Also make note of the very bottom of the description where it says "If you would like to provide suggestions, please leave a comment (and ideally a link to a decklist)." If you feel as if whichever Omnath is competitive, please provide a decklist worthy of the placement so people can understand what you are talking about. Both of the Omnaths are High Power in my opinion, just because the whole "I swing in with the big creature" strategy isn't the most powerful one in the cEDH realm especially in a color identity that doesn't provide the protection it needs.

Locus is what I imagine, DangoDaikazoku, Angry omnath costs 7 mana.

Now that would be a joke xD

• mana locus, vasarto77 does say "Omnath of mana" after all.

Apologies, it was 5:30am here when I read the comment and I am a sleepy boy who needs to go take the big snooze again. Either way the points I made still stand. I think maybe if Omnath was in Temur colors like Animar it would be a lot better, but the mono green is a crutch and not nearly as consistent as other mono green generals since it loses its ramp after getting hit with removal and needs to build it all back up again. I'd honestly much rather run Kruphix instead of Omnath for blue with a similar effect on top of an indestructible enchantment creature.

Doomsday Circu is my write-up for Circu, do you all think it is worth a slot?

Storing mana is not anywhere near as effective as Marwyn or Selvala (they're arguably the same deck but Marwyn debatably is slightly better don't @ me)

Storing mana is not anywhere near as effective as Marwyn or Selvala (they're arguably the same deck but Marwyn debatably is slightly better don't @ me)

@SynergyBuild On no. You mentioned a card that can beat a creature which means the creature is automatically bad. Well....you sure showed me what for I tell you what.

vasarto77 it was an example. One of many. Hmu on Untap.in for an explanation of why swinging with a big omnath doesn't work.

Hi, curious as to how ishai would be played? Who would she be partnered with. I can see how it could be good, but I can't really think of any cEDH synergies with her at the helm

Ishai isn't that good, but she's literally up there because she is UW and has the keyword partner attached to her.

Nearly all pairings currently with her are outclassed by another partner combination with imo her best pairing is with vial smasher for Sans-G, but that's outclassed easily by Kraum/Tymna, and Esper with Tymna. But why play esper partners when you can just do Thrasios/Tymna?

And this is what happens when someone makes something as big as this "tier list", but then doesn't include explanations for card placement and also avoids updating it.

Well yeah, but Omnath is not the biggest threat in the deck. His biggest threat is the fact that he can stack mana really. I am working on a deck with him and a ton of other really large mana heavy creatures, with ways of putting stuff in for either free or super cheap. You stack mana early game for a turn or two and you can either spend it, or swing for some mid damage with Omnath, then in second main you can throw down something like Woodfall Primus or a card I just got today which is Regal Behemoth. Add that in with a card that wouldn't be good in almost ANY other deck Early Harvest, especially if it's later in the game and you have a lot of basic land out which is the only lands in my deck is just basic forests than you can really REALLY crank him up and either maul stuff down and trample or cast another really big critter..I dunno...Aggressive Mammoth? I got one of those in there. For this deck it's a solid choice. You can also do stuff like instant spells. Maybe, MAybe? have an Avoid Fate or similar spells sparsely in the deck to add some armor. Plus I also keep all of the totem enchantments in here too ( green ones of course ), so Snake, Bear, Boar, spider. Those also come in handy too. I know he is not the best commander out there because he is mono green, but I feel he can be competitive really easily with the right enchantments and fatties to back him up.

vasarto77 I think you missed the entire point of the rebuttal. If someone hits Omnath with any type of cheap removal such as Chain of Vapor or Swords to Plowshares, the mana you decided to store up is effectively just gone at that point. Then on top of that you have to recast Omnath and start rebuilding your ramp. Also how are you playing him? Do you cast him on turn 3, do nothing but tap out and stack mana on turn 4, then finally by turn 5 tap out again to cast some fatty? That's not competitive by any means and that playstyle is not productive. Omnath just has a bad early game when it really matters and doesn't rebound from removal very well while other mono-green generals like Yisan and Selvala do. I appreciate you trying to give a thorough explanation for why you think Omnath is competitive, because that's much more than a lot of other people who find themselves on this page ever do. But to me it just looks like you're aiming to tap out over the course of several turns to eventually drop a big stronk creature onto the battlefield and that doesn't seem the slightest bit effective for a gameplan in cEDH in my opinion.

vasarto77 sounds like hot trash, does it win turn 3? Does it stop each opponent by winning turn 3?

No. It doesn't hold up.

It's a very casual strategy. I think you do well with it in your playgroup and are having a hard time comprehending what we mean by competitive. I suggest joining the Discord and finding some cEDH games so you can see.