Amonkhet Minotaurs

Modern Argy

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Trialling Supernatural Stamina —May 2, 2017

I'm testing to see whether I like Supernatural Stamina better than Fling.

Argy says... #1

You haven't playtested this deck.

Until you do you won't understand how well it works.


The synergy between Neheb, the Worthy and Ondu Champion means that you CAN just fully attack into your Opponent while getting damage through.

You are unlikely to lose any of your Cows as they all have First Strike. The extra +2/0 means they have enough damage to Trample over the top. Plus you can make the biggest Opponent Creature not block by Exerting Ahn-Crop Crasher.

However, you need to be able to trigger Rally to do that. You have 11 ways to do that with the addition of Zulaport Cutthroat. Without him you have 8 ways, which is not nearly consistent enough.


It's very bad form to keep suggesting the same cards to someone who has taken the time to explain to you why they don't work as well as you think they will.

You don't know my local meta, where every deck packs Declaration in Stone.


You don't build a strong Tribal deck by just jamming all the good members of the Tribe in there. You need to have other Creatures and Non-Creature cards that support them.

I have 21 Cows in this deck (Metallic Mimic also counts), 3 Creatures that aren't Cows, and 13 Non-Creature spells.

So, more than a third of my deck is comprised of the Tribe.

That is a healthy proportion.


You were nitpicking about the wording in my description. You could have just said something like, "by the way, in your description, etc." rather than the way you did it, which assumed that I didn't know. In my "How to Play" section it was quite clear that I understood that Neheb, the Worthy also gives himself +2/0 when the criteria are met.


You telling me to consider Hazoret the Fervent, when I have made it clear that it is still Under Consideration, is redundant.


hardhitta71194, Zaueski, and I have a lot of experience with Commenting on other people's decks and responding to Comments on ours.

We all realise how frustrating it is for people to keep suggesting the same card repeatedly when it is already being considered, or has been assessed as not working well in the current build.

I have now spent a lot of time replying to your Comments. Time that could be better spent elsewhere.

If you keep posting the same suggestions I am now just going to delete them as ain't nobody got time for that.

April 28, 2017 3:47 a.m.

clayperce says... #2

Argeaux,
I started playtesting (the earlier version of) the deck on MTGO. I don't have many reps in yet, and the meta is still extremely fluid, so it may be a while before I have any meaningful data. One thing worth mentioning though: I've started running 3x By Force in Sideboard.

April 28, 2017 11:18 a.m.

Argy says... #3

What's that due to, clayperce?

Are people still running Artifact heavy decks? Are they still just playing #1 Mardu Vehicles?

April 28, 2017 12:04 p.m.

clayperce says... #4

Argeaux,
For pure Artifacts, it appears UR Tower and 4c Marvel are still real decks. I've also seen Key to the City in BR Discard and RG Bigstuff decks. I haven't seen Heart of Kiran at all, which seems bizarre.

There are lots of ways to deal with Artifact Creatures of course, but Walking Ballista is still alive and well (they just drop the counters in response of course ... but at least they're doing it on your schedule rather than theirs). Some folks are obviously trying to get Saheeli Rai to work too, which means her Artifacts may still be with us for a while (though obviously not so many of them!). And though I haven't faced it, UR Control still has Torrential Gearhulk.

None of those individually are probably worth the slideboard slots, but all together it feels like they are.

Your meta and mileage, of course, may vary :-)

April 28, 2017 2:52 p.m.

Argy says... #5

clayperce

I've played against Dynavolt Tower with my Vehicles and it really doesn't bother me that much. I'm faster than it. I can also grab it with the newly inserted Lay Bare the Heart.

Aetherworks Marvel I'm not too worried about, either. Oblivion Strike is there to deal with Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger and I have a bunch of other spells like Cut / Ribbons and Unlicensed Disintegration to mop up any other Creatures.

Can't say I've ever been that concerned with Walking Ballista. As with Hangarback Walker I just put pressure on and they have to block with it, or I just kill it before it gets too large. It hits me for a bit ... and I hit them for a lot more. Fling, Cut / Ribbons or Unlicensed Disintegration should take care of it.

I changed my Sideboard in response to UR Control by OAFMCNAMARA. That thing is hateful. Specific Artifact destruction is not the way to go with that, I feel. Better to have a range of hand disruption and Creature removal spells so that you can hit Torrential Gearhulk, Wandering Fumarole, or one of their annoying removal spells.

You really should practice against that deck. If people get wind of it, then that is all they will play at FNM. Seriously, Wizards has once again printed a card - Essence Scatter - that has made an archetype unstoppable, with no good answer for it - Duress.

April 28, 2017 3:11 p.m. Edited.

Argy says... #6

Oh, one other thing.

Ahn-Crop Crasher really helps to take care of low cost Planeswalkers like Saheeli Rai.

If they play her early, you just stop their biggest Creature from blocking and BOOM, she dead.

If they play her late then they probably aren't getting much value from her, and things are all over by then anyway.

April 28, 2017 3:18 p.m.

Zaueski says... #7

Damn, you weren't kidding Argeaux... that control deck is brutal. My deck managed to eke out the win but that was so close. The deck was one mana short of countering my Chandra and even then I got taken down to 1 life... That will definitely be an interesting matchup for the upcoming season... Game one took almost an hour :O

April 28, 2017 4:10 p.m.

Argy says... #8

Zaueski yeah, that thing is horrendous.

I can't guarantee myself a win against it each time, while making my Sideboard work for a range of other decks.

It will very much be up to who draws best.

I hate that kind of matchup. Coming soon to a LGS near you!

April 28, 2017 4:17 p.m.

McSky23 says... #9

Would Ghirapur Orrery Work in this deck?

April 29, 2017 8:45 a.m.

Argy says... #10

McSky23 it helps if you link a card like this - Ghirapur Orrery - so the other person doesn't have to look it up.

The Orrery would see me drawing FOUR cards at the start of every turn.

I think you might have overlooked this at the start of my description:

"If this deck ends up with only one or two cards in hand THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING."

If I used Ghirapur Orrery I would be struggling to keep my hand at one or less cards.

April 29, 2017 10:14 a.m.

idiotbane says... #11

I agree that this deck needs help against control matchups. After playing a non-sideboarded best-of-3 against my UB Control deck(http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/how-to-win-in-amonkhet/), the cows only had a shot in one of the games, but couldn't get there. Though Lay Bare the Heart is a great hand disruption spell, I firmly believe Transgress the Mind is the card you want in that slot. With Torrential Gearhulk being the centerpiece of any control list in this format, you NEED that exile to keep your opponent from getting value out of their spell regardless of your hand disruption.

May 1, 2017 9:01 a.m.

Argy says... #12

Of COURSE this deck won't beat a Control deck PRE-SIDEBOARD.

Lay Bare the Heart is NOT just for the Control matchup.

You can't just build your Sideboard for one deck.

Where Torrential Gearhulk is concerned, Lay Bare the Heart and Transgress the Mind have exactly the same effect, unless the deck has recursion.

May 1, 2017 9:52 a.m.

idiotbane says... #13

In my mind, if you have a very poor matchup pre-sideboard, you should devote slots purely to that matchup unless you're okay just losing that match (which is okay if you don't expect to see it very much). I believe control decks will become popular in Amonkhet Standard just with a glance at the MTGO SCL's.

May 1, 2017 10:06 a.m.

Argy says... #14

If you set up your Sideboard for one matchup you open yourself up to be defeated by other decks that it's not set up for.

May 1, 2017 11:56 a.m.

idiotbane says... #15

I agree. However, my point is that, since Control is such a bad matchup for this deck, Transgress the Mind and a couple grindy spells can be used to improve the matchup post-board. I think, since you have access to the best removal spells in MtG (being both and ) you have a great post-board plan against aggressive decks. At this point, you have only to improve your game-plan against grindy midrange and control decks. These decks usually have considerable graveyard interaction.

May 1, 2017 12:36 p.m.

BanoMD says... #16

I love this deck, I upvoted. I found this while I was building my own Tribal Minotaurs. I have a couple questions though:

  1. Why didn't you include Merciless Javelineer?

  2. Have you considered using Key to the City instead of Throne of the God-Pharaoh? It gives you another simple discard method, and it gives you another way to easily attack in for simple damage, including Neheb, the Worthy.

Thanks in advance for taking time to answer!

May 1, 2017 5 p.m.

Argy says... #17

Bano42 this deck is very finely tuned.

Every part is necessary for its game plan.

I only wanted one type of Minotaur in the 4 drop slot.

If you give your Minotaurs Trample in the late game it finishes things faster with their First Strike and their +2/0.

Therefore Ondu Champion did the job.

Throne of the God-Pharaoh is amazing. It lets damage escalate very quickly.

It's not been unusual to hit for an extra 3 life on each turn, with it on the field. Even with two Creatures, 5 damage becomes 7 damage.

What I also like about it is, if a Creature becomes chump blocked, it will still do some damage.

It also works with the Exert Minotaur, as it does 1 damage the turn after it has been Exalted.

I'll think about Key to the City. I can't see it offering the same value.

May 1, 2017 10:22 p.m.

Orliosis22 says... #18

So, my build is pretty similar. But I prefer 4 Fiery Temper to fling, just because you can discard it to Bloodrage Brawler and get some value there. I think it might be worth it to explore some madness subthemes, since the deck is already discard heavy. But I really do like this build, and will probably be taking something like it to FNM this week.

May 1, 2017 10:30 p.m.

BanoMD says... #19

Argeaux

I understand now why not the Merciless Javelineer. I ended up taking him out of my deck as well, I thought his ability read differently than it really does.

I really really want to love Throne of the God-Pharaoh! I bought a play-set the moment I saw it. Having not play-tested it myself, I feel like it might play a bit slow, but I do see the value in it, especially with exerted Minotaurs. I just thought I would recommend Key to the City as well because I feel like it works well conceptually with this deck: it offers a discard opportunity, it allows a free attacker in (an easy way to get Neheb in), and it offers you another draw late-game if you got stuck with a Land and need to try again.

Thanks again, and great deck!

May 1, 2017 10:37 p.m.