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shinobigarth For Zombies, what about Daxos to go with a Returned Elspeth?
Of course we have those Zombie Gatewatch controlled by Liliana from Comic Con, cool cards.
vbfabled Sadly the Phyrexians can never be Planeswalkers. According to their lore, we will never see that.
I would love to see more races explored, like a badass Centaur.
April 22, 2017 12:08 a.m.
Yeah she did kind of fudge that situation lol.
Sorin said, Nissa I am ages older than you, I have battled the Eldrazi twice in the past, this is what me must do. Nissa replied, nah I got this.
Still though, being the idiot who shattered the Hedron hardly makes me care about the character. I don't know what people like about her. She is SHALLOW!! No depth to her character at all.
I believe that is why her and Gideon are the first two that come to mind when people think of one dying. Neither of them are particularly interesting, but Gideon has just a little bit extra. Also Gideon is supposed to be Invulnerable, which typically means, how is this character going to die?
April 21, 2017 11:13 p.m.
My choice would be one of my favorites, Zur the Enchanter.
He was searching for immortality, his followers believe he found it, nobody knows for sure.
New Zur, immortal (like Sorin), and ready to make the Multiverse his.
I really hope we see him again when we return to Dominaria. I expect his new card won't be as good as his original as the original absolutely owns Commander and I've heard he makes a decent Modern deck as well. I expect an Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Archangel Avacyn Flip situation.
April 21, 2017 7:23 p.m.
MindAblaze How does she have a regrettable past? As far as I know, nothing is really significant in her past. She got in a fight and ignited her spark, traveled to Lorwyn as it turned into Shadowmoor, then just went home. Later Eldrazi happened. That's her story.
I figured her retcon was because in her original story she played with Black Mana and they wanted all of the Origins Walkers, (the first Gatewatch), to be Mono. With the new Nissa card, I have absolutely NO idea why she was retconned.
April 21, 2017 7:06 p.m.
No, Kaalia will never be a competitive deck regardless of format so I built her as a French EDH deck instead of Multiplayer.
Griselbrand is legal in French so it all works out.
April 21, 2017 3:20 p.m.
vbfabled I know what you are saying. I don't want Bolas to lose, but I don't see the Gatewatch losing either. That's why I mentioned Bolas won't be killed, but he will lose Amonkhet to the Gatewatch. It gives the Gatewatch their win while keeping Bolas a big character.
Bolas' last defeat I believe was in 2013? It's been a good four years since he has faced defeat, and he has been manipulating almost the entire story since then.
He wasn't significant in Theros, but he manipulted all of Tarkir. He manipulated the other Walkers into releasing the Eldrazi, thus setting up BFZ block, and SOI block. Then Tezzeret was doing everything on Kaladesh, so that's another connection to Bolas.
My only hope is, because Bolas has been so key to the story in recent years, he prepared for the Gatewatch and can give them a swift beat down. His actions are directly responsible for the formation of the Gatewatch, I expect he is prepared.
In response to other comments, the only character I don't see growth in is Nissa. She doesn't have much to do. Her retcon is odd as well considering she would have been just as socially awkward had she not been retconned but she had more depth before. Nissa is currently shallow and boring, that's why she is disposable.
April 21, 2017 3:08 p.m.
To note: Nissa was retconned. Whether this was a good or a bad change, (it was bad), is another conversation for another thread.
The Gatewatch started with Origins, and they were each chosen as being iconic Mono Color Planeswalkers. Each of them were never multicolored, and I thought the plan was to keep them Mono.
Nissa has broken this cycle and she needs to die for it. Let it be a warning to the other Gatewatch not to venture into other colors.
Gideon would be a good reasonable death. It would make a lot of sense. I feel most people commenting haven't read the flavor text on the Amonkhet cards. Gideon will soon despise the Gods.
Jace won't die, he is like Pikachu. It just isn't going to happen.
Liliana has much more story to tell, she would be a terrible loss as she still has so much more to give us.
Chandra has a lot of room to grow as a character. I would not like to see her die.
Why are people saying Ajani? He didn't come with the rest of the Gatewatch, and even warned them about going.
I feel like the Gatewatch could lose, and a death would be fantastic. I would prefer a double death of both Nissa and Gideon. Nissa because I hate retcons and her old story was far better than her new one. Gideon because it would fit his Greek story and having the "Indestructible" character die would be great. Just ask Avacyn how well being Indestructible worked out for her. Besides, a lot of people expect someone to die, wouldn't it be better if two of them died?
With all of that said, I still expect a Gatewatch victory. Death or no death, I fully expect them to take the Plane away from Nicol Bolas. I believe Bolas will live, he may even get a kill or two, but in the end, the Gatewatch will still strip him of his Plane which will be considered a half victory. The only real question being, what will this victory cost the Gatewatch? It had better cost the Gatewatch dearly.
April 21, 2017 4:12 a.m.
Delta-117 Yes I understand, I also read the story. I just love Bolas, and with his new Planeswalker card coming out in Hour of Devastation, the new Archenemy set coming out, I want a new Nicol Bolas creature!! As he is my favorite character, I want to build a competitive deck around him, yet his creature card isn't the best.
MindAblaze If Razaketh doesn't fit in Mardu colors I will be extremely disappointed. I have managed to fit the other two Liliana victims in my Kaalia deck, I want them all in there.
RedUndead40 That is a fair point. As a huge Tribal fan, I am happy about this year's theme. I just hope we get a lot of cards that we can put in other decks, and aren't necessarily Tribe specific, especially for Tribes that are less supported and can really only be built one way, like Minotaurs for example.
April 21, 2017 3:42 a.m.
Update to the deck:
Upgrades coming slow as I just moved cross country and started a new job.
I have found Tolaria West to be quite slow. It is typically only useful when Necropotence hasn't produced Reliquary Tower or Thought Vessel. Then it only ever tutors for Reliquary Tower. I will probably look to replace it soon. City of Brass is a good contender.
Overall the Lands are working well outside of that. I especially like the Prairie Stream and Sunken Hollow, they are Lands that can be Fetched on an opponent's End Step to come in untapped, or come in untapped all by themselves.
I find Karmic Justice to be quite useful in Multiplayer games. Sometimes it is hard to keep up with everyone and Counter everything. I find that it's unrestricted destruction of any permanent very nice. Playing Voltron in Multiplayer typically has me playing a bit slower than other Zur decks so it proves useful. I typically turtle up first, then combo out to kill people. People are much less likely to target my stuff when they know I can (usually) blow up anything they have on their board.
I also love Mana Short!! It is extremely underrated imo. Sadly it is not a true alter, I just marked it as alter because it is signed by the artist. In most of my decks the alter symbol simply means it is a signed card. I am a big fan of signed cards.
Thanks for your comment, and I am extremely sorry for my late response.
April 21, 2017 3:25 a.m.
My biggest problem is I'm biased. My favorite Tribe is Zombies. I would absolutely love Esper Zombies, but a different kind of Grixis Zombie Commander I would accept as well. I believe Thraximundar is probably the best Grixis Zombie Commander right now.
Would it be too late for a Nicol Bolas Commander deck? He could totally lead a group of Grixis Amonkhet Zombies, (or Mummies!!)
April 19, 2017 11:24 p.m.
I don't understand the reason for 4 decks. I mean anything I can think of would still be best in 5 decks.
The only thing I can expect is not the color signature Tribes, as one would be left out. So not Merfolk, Zombies, Goblins or Elves. What is the signature Tribe?
Seems weird with only 4 decks. They also released Giants with the Commander deck from 2015.
So your more unsupported Tribes is my opinion. I want Zombies, especially Esper Zombies, but I expect lesser seen Tribes.
April 19, 2017 9:16 p.m.
Nicol Bolas will not die, of this I am sure.
The Gatewatch need to lose, Ajani warned them against going to Amonkhet. As has already been mentioned though, the Gatewatch are OP, they are so OP that they defeated the Eldrazi, that much more powerful Planeswalkers lost too, or at least they didn't defeat the Eldrazi.
The story is in a bad place, if the Gatewatch story were properly translated to cards, they would be banned immediately. They decided to kill some Eldrazi, and they did it, no problems, easy stuff.
I fully expect the Gatewatch to win, but Bolas will survive. They will probably just take the Plane back from Bolas and fix some of the wrong he did to it. Bolas will leave with his tail between his legs, and the Gatewatch will keep doing their thing.
Hell they might resurrect Yawgmoth just to kick him in the teeth.
April 18, 2017 10:36 p.m.
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