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My one issue with Vengeant is that it seems to be a one time thing. He is only in that card and even his Oath is although Ajani didn't actually fight him on Amonkhet.
It's a weird issue, but I would like to include him if possible.
July 26, 2017 6:02 p.m.
I figured I would have to build Bolas to be stronger, and probably build it to be a little more competitive. I'm thinking fast mana, a legit cEDH mana base, etc.
The other decks will be cheaper because they are either Mono or two color. Probably won't include fast mana.
My issue is figuring out a strategy that each character can run with. I obviously don't want two characters to run the same strategy, and I would like it to be thematic. Liliana might go with a Zombie token swarm style, Chandra with Burn, etc.
I am already planning on including as many on theme cards as possible. I figure Bolas can run Dark Intimations. The deck could also run Jace's Defeat, Liliana's Defeat, and Chandra's Defeat. Each deck will run Hour of Devastation full art Basics.
After that, I will find fitting cards for the strategy, then choose the best printing possible.
I would like to stick to Commander rules as much as possible, meaning only 1 of any card, except Basic Lands. The only thing I'm thinking about changing is having the Planeswalker in each deck actually be the Commander. I think it fits better.
July 26, 2017 5:02 p.m.
I expect I'm not the first person to say this but I want to make Commander decks for the Archenemy: Nicol Bolas set. I figure it would be a lot of fun and something nifty to have.
I will be wanting all decks in paper, as that's when they will be played. I will want them (semi)balanced, as in the Archenemy doesn't win every game but has a good chance.
I figure this also gives me an opportunity to add Gatewatch members that aren't playable in the box set. Ajani, Jace, and Liliana are all missing.
Doing this creates a Commander decision issue. Would I use the creature cards? If I did that, Ajani couldn't have a deck.
- Nicol Bolas
- Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip
- Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
- Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip
- Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh Flip
- Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip
There is also the possibility of using their namesake cards as the Commander. This would give it a better feeling of Planeswalkers battling as each would at least be in the Command Zone and would be much easier to cast each game.
- Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
- Gideon Jura
- Jace Beleren
- Liliana Vess
- Chandra Nalaar
- Nissa Revane
- Ajani Goldmane
Along the same line of using a Planeswalker as the Commander, I could just pick their best version to use that.
The question would then be, what to do for Nissa and Ajani? Would I use Mono Walkers, or their Multi colored cards for more variety. What supports this idea is that Nissa's Precon deck is .
I believe Ajani would probably be the better strategy, but fits thematically as that was the Walker released in the Ajani v. Bolas Duel Deck.
Anybody have thoughts, opinions, help to offer? Commander choices will be important, whether the decks have other Planeswalker cards in them matters, overall deck strategy for each character would help.
July 26, 2017 2:53 p.m.
Story retcon, Nicol Bolas is a Dragon Troll. Much trolling in this story, very well placed.
"He had not needed wings to fly for a very long time"
-What kind of witchcraft is this!?
"Why bother being smart when the Multiverse so conveniently conspired to keep your idiocy alive?"
-Confirmed, WotC is referred to as "the Multiverse" within the story and lore.
This is really exciting stuff. Best story in awhile imo. It really sets up years worth of storytelling. We have confirmation that we won't get so much Gatewatch together, so we could have six blocks with one member in each, not factoring other random stories.
July 26, 2017 12:52 p.m.
All hail Nicol Bolas, creator of the Multiverse!!
July 26, 2017 11:30 a.m.
Now I'm really curious what he sold the deck for. This would have been a nice deck to buy.
July 26, 2017 11:25 a.m.
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed allows for some really degenerate infinite combos on a budget.
It is my recommendation for a deck to annoy friends with. Infinite combos are a great way to do that. Mono color decks should be cheaper than multi color due to the land base being a lot easier to build.
July 26, 2017 11:02 a.m.
IF the RC takes over control of Commander?????? The RC DOES have control of Commander.....
This is the argument I have been giving, but I'll say it again as something has been missed.
Commander is a Social format, there are Casual players in every format. The issue with the Commander ban list is that the Casual players are dictating the bans.
A ban list should be made with Competitive players in mind. This is because the Competitive players are REQUIRED to follow the ban list in a tournament setting, and like you just laid out so elegantly, the Casual players can and will self govern.
It really is that simple. A ban list is necessary for tournament play because it allows a bunch of people to follow the same deck building guidelines. Casual players can ban or unban whatever cards they wish in their own playgroups. They can use a Basic Land for a Commander if they so desired.
I made a deck with Genju of the Realm as the Commander. It isn't a legal Commander, but in a Casual game, as long as my opponents agree, I can play the deck.
Casual should not dictate Competitive play.
July 25, 2017 9:01 a.m.
Is this the most optimized you think you can make this deck right now or are you restricting yourself to a certain budget?
Is you are restricted by budget, how might you change this deck if you didn't have such restrictions?
What are the most common decks you face in Pauper? How to compare to each?
July 25, 2017 8:46 a.m.
Looks like a good list. I'm trying to figure out a way to optimize organization.
July 24, 2017 10:57 a.m.
I only did a quick scan of the list and I can already say that the list is not optimized. Regardless of strategy, there are suboptimal cards in the list.
The discussion, if any, would have to be about Dralnu, Lich Lord and not factoring that decklist at all. We have plenty of users here that could easily create a better list than that for discussion on Dralnu placement.
July 24, 2017 8:45 a.m.
Narset, Enlightened Master isn't very good, nor is any other 6 CMC Commander.
With fast mana bans, and the speed of decks, you should lose before you ever cast your Commander.
July 24, 2017 8:31 a.m.
Legal Commander? No idea. I haven't played since my last Commander got banned, Vial Smasher the Fierce. My lack of playing actually has nothing to do with the ban and just a decrease in free time, but it just so happened I didn't have the time to play when she got banned.
July 23, 2017 2:28 p.m.
What about Odric, Lunarch Marshal? Gives all of your stuff the benefits of the Enchantments in combat.
July 23, 2017 2:23 p.m.
I would like a list of all MtG books. I want a collection of all of them but don't know where to start.
July 22, 2017 9:15 p.m.
I'm okay with the leaks I've seen so far. Nothing looks too competitive. Last year was very top heavy.
Casual players are going to eat those Dragons up like they did Atraxa.
All in all, looks and sounds like it will be a lot fun, but so far shouldn't shake up cEDH too much, if at all.
July 21, 2017 7:55 p.m.
Creature/Job combos are really interesting. I think this is the first time I've actually gotten excited for Commander 2017.
I really hope that's what they did. I know I am making this speculation from one card, (Wasitora, Nekoru Queen), but it's an exciting idea. It goes along with the theme of Partner Commanders from last year, being able to tear the decks apart and make new ones using only the cards you have.
July 21, 2017 12:39 p.m.
We can see the Cat and the Dragon, but there is also the Legendary Cat Dragon creature in one of the decks.
Is it possible that each will contain at least one Legendary that you can use to merge two of the decks together?
So like, a Vampire Dragon, a Vampire Cat, etc. I mean it would be really interesting and a great idea as I believe many people would enjoy making new decks out of the precons, but only using precon cards.
July 21, 2017 10:23 a.m.
I always carry my paper Zur list with me to the shop. When people think they have a powerful deck that should be ranked higher, I bring him out.
I don't even have what is the agreed Tier 1 deck. What is the agreed upon Tier ranking for Mana Denial Zur?
July 20, 2017 8:58 a.m.
What are your thoughts on getting that in there? I understand RiP doesn't fit with a recursion theme.
A fun combo that I don't recommend but will note here for the laughs, Academy Rector is an auto include and a piece that can be used with Kaervek's Spite and Barren Glory. Just Academy Rector on board, Barren Glory in Library, cast Kaervek's Spite on your opponents end step right before your turn, tutor Barren Glory and win.
July 19, 2017 3:50 p.m.
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