The Horde smiles at death - Competitive (budget)

Standard* phDaemon

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HeavyR says... #1

4 by of Obelisk of Urd seems like a mistake. 2 of maybe, but you gotta get some of those Crackling Doom onto the Main; its one of the best removals in standard and gets around hexproof for pesky Caryatids and Ojutai.Thanks for the input on my Zerg Rush.

May 24, 2015 8:17 p.m.

phDaemon says... #2

Hmm, I think for my deck the Crackling Doom really should be SB for G1. Since most of the Creatures have first strike or double strike, so far in all the games a "bomb" will be dropped either too late, or it's with little effect, since I've gotten my Arashin to be a 5/4 double strike plenty of times (and it can be brought back with Alesha). So 10 to the face or almost any creature out there dies. Since first strike damage passes things like death touch, very little can get through those.

I do agree that maybe 4 obelisks might be too much, but the minimum I'm willing to have is 3 and maybe up the crackling dooms to 3. Those have also turned the tide instantly since I can generate tokens with the dooms or the secure the wastes EOT and then convoke it out putting tons of pressure on the opponent to deal with a lot of threats that showed up out of nowhere (have done a few games so far in casual play, really looking forward to see how FNM goes).

And NP, pretty interesting deck and cool name!

May 24, 2015 9:13 p.m.

Corigan says... #3

Blood-Chin Rager Is an amazing card... I would put him in over Battle Brawler Imagine an unblockable Zurgo Helmsmasher or have Zurgo go up +2 in one turn

May 26, 2015 7:45 p.m.

phDaemon says... #4

I did consider him at a certain point but decided against him due to the meta right now...FNM is either control, abzan or den / raptor combos mostly so the brawler felt a lot stronger.

Plus he's a 3/2 first strike that can be brought back with alesha, which beats a lot of creatures out there atm. I might add the rager to my sb but I feel like he lacks that umph on his own or even with few creatures out...

May 27, 2015 1:57 a.m.

phDaemon says... #5

Thanks for your suggestion!

May 27, 2015 1:57 a.m.

phDaemon says... #6

HeavyR I think you might be right. I took them down to 2, and took out a Mardu charm for those Crackling dooms and I think that's a bit stronger.

Thanks!

May 27, 2015 6:10 a.m.

phDaemon says... #7

After some casual games this week, I've decided to put back Athreos, God of Passage instead of the spears. They don't give enough power to the deck, and at least once Athreos gets affinity (which happens fairly quick) he becomes a serious threat that most decks won't have responses to.

I have also raised the number of Mardu Charm and Crackling Doom. Battle Brawler + Mardu Charm gives you a very nice turn 3 blocker dealing 5 damage first strike, and since you do it in an opponents turn, it is often unexpected, getting rid of any momentum they could have built so far. Crackling Doom is fantastic, and I almost think that 4 might need to be in there, but I'll let that be for now.

June 4, 2015 3:56 a.m.

no just no

June 5, 2015 12:21 p.m.

phDaemon says... #9

U mad bro? This deck beat Abzan aggro and quite a few other so called "top decks" :P

June 5, 2015 12:27 p.m.

jjdonut7 says... #10

ok so ive played warriors and i have to say im surprised to see not so many people playing it. i went to an scg open with mine and went 6-3-0 with it. you have a solid list however i believe you should try to use some cards with stand alone value like rabblemaster who is a warrior. also dont pass on the sieges. outpost is good while citadel is amazing with arashin foremost. i like the athreos in the main, make it painful to kill your arashin. brutal hordechief is good in this list, and wingmate roc is a great finisher. but solid list dude

June 5, 2015 1:18 p.m.

phDaemon says... #11

Hi jjdonut7

Thanks for the suggestions! I had not considered Citadel Siege for this deck before... Might have to put that in there if origins has no replacement for the Obelisk of Urd.

For 4 mana tho, I think I prefer obelisk since I have convoked it out with tokens / creatures with only 3 lands. I have seen Goblin Rabblemaster being played in quite a few warrior decks, but I don't like that he produces goblin tokens instead of warrior tokens (with things like Obelisk, Chief of the Edge and Blood-Chin Fanatic can't be used on things created by him). I might consider putting him in there tho, maybe replacing Ajani in the SB. Funny that I just traded away my playset of Outpost Siege away but I think Athreos is much stronger than Outpost and cheaper to cast. In the 5 mana slot I have Zurgo Helmsmasher because I can sac him to deal 7 damage (minimum) to the face and gain 7 life and to cover the fliers that escape the Mardu Charm or Crackling Doom I can bring in Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury to handle them as well as give my attacking creatures a boost.

Even against removal, this deck generates too many creatures for them to be able to get rid of them all. And since most have first strike / double strike, they can beat out most other creatures, letting me use the spells to CMA or protect any that would actually die.

I do indeed like the Brutal Hordechief, If i had more space in the deck he'd be main-board. At the moment I bring him in when Helmsmasher is too slow.

Thanks again for the suggestions!

June 5, 2015 1:39 p.m.

phDaemon says... #12

The Arashin Foremost, Battle Brawler, and less interesting Bloodsoaked Champion can all be brought back with Alesha, Who Smiles at Death, triggering the abilities of the first two at the same time, which is usually pretty good. The Athreos is there to do more damage when I sac or go up against removal :)

June 5, 2015 1:44 p.m.

phDaemon says... #13

After a week of tons of casual play against burn, sligh, and sultai midrange I am ready to try this deck against Esper Control once more.

Let's see how this goes tonight. Will post updates.

June 12, 2015 4:05 p.m.

Aoiren says... #14

Nomad Outpost playset might be useful? I would take out one of Temple of Malice and Temple of Triumph , follow up by taking out 2x Temple of Silence.

June 25, 2015 1:40 p.m.

phDaemon says... #15

I had originally discarded Nomad Outpost for the scry-lands due to it helping me a lot by drawing exactly what I need when I need it, but it's a possibility.

I only have a hint of red on the deck, so after switching the mana base a bit since my last FNM, I haven't run into any more land issues. But I'll test those out in casual and see how they compare to the scry-lands.

Thanks for the suggestion.

June 25, 2015 2:17 p.m.

phDaemon says... #16

Good Call on those, Aoiren.

June 25, 2015 8 p.m.

Hey, I was wondering if you could check my mardu Warriors out and let me know what you think. I was running b/w for a while and normally went undefeated or lost to this kids g/r devotion deck. Idk why but I decided to add red and try it out this Friday. Here's the link The Warriors of Mardu

June 26, 2015 2:16 a.m.

Aoiren says... #18

No worries man I had the same problem with my deck and are extremely similar except for Alesha i was running rabblemaster. But I have changed to Alesha lol.

June 26, 2015 3:17 a.m.

Our decks are very similar now! I made changes to mine and wanted you to check em out. The banishing light made my night man! Best advice I've taken so far haha. I ended up doing 2-2 with mine last night, I knew I needed a few changes.

June 27, 2015 12:57 p.m.

phDaemon says... #20

For sure! :)

Glad I could be of help. Upvoted your deck on the first day. ;)

I also went 2-2 last night, the losses were against Abzan Aggro and Abzan Control.

I've already made the modifications I thought I would need but that's the only match-up I have problems against right now (which also leads me to believe that r/g devotion would be a problem).

Doing mad research right now on abzan and g/r weaknesses and see how they're relevant to our arch-types.

I have another configuration in the works that I'm gonna try out vs abzan this week in casual to see how it does.

Will certainly post updates with any relevant info!

What did your decks lose against Magic-Fanatic420?

June 27, 2015 1:08 p.m.

I lost to an all dragonlord control deck and a really good constellation deck. Both went to game 3 with me keeping a stupid hand. I know I could've won if I had went down another card.

June 27, 2015 1:13 p.m.

phDaemon says... #22

Interesting. Against ub or esper I don't ever have issues, it's always abzan. I haven't gone against any constellations but I assume it's probably the same weakness im facing with abzan which is too many big threats and not enough removal or board state? It's why I added playsets of both Crackling Doom and Hero's Downfall after last night...but if it didn't work for you then maybe I'll need a different approach.

June 27, 2015 1:20 p.m.

phDaemon says... #23

What were your wins?

I'll be posting a breakdown of my matches soon, self-evaluation is the path to success.

June 27, 2015 1:28 p.m.

No my only my only problem was keeping a bad hand in both games. I just didn't want to mulligan so I chanced it and lost. My wins were against a mono red deck and another mardu tribal deck. Not Warriors like ours tho. Mostly the demon, rabblemaster and brimaz. I think we have enough removal tho. I normally never have problems with abzan, although that constellation deck was abzan. It's a whip deck/delve deck tho, so yeah rhinos all day.

June 27, 2015 2:29 p.m.

Mr.grizzly says... #25

Nice deck, I my self am making a Mardu Warrior deck and I have a couple of questions. What are your thoughts and experience with Butcher of the Horde? He has won me some games and usually doesn't have trouble coming out in a timely fashion. The removal you have is key I think so kudos on that, I think overall I really like your idea here and the only bit of advice I have to give would be to take out the Chief of the Scale in sideboard and add 2 secure the wastes. Reason being is I know from experience that boardwipes are the worst thing to happen for these decks and that since you already have return to the ranks, you could use the Warriors from secure the wastes to convoke. I think this deck deserves a plus 1, a lot of research and effort and I think it is a good baseline for Mardu Warriors!

July 6, 2015 10:28 a.m.

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