Which Reserved List card do you want reprinted?
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Posted on Nov. 24, 2014, 5:53 p.m. by Baltec
I understand that the Reserved List exists for a reason and some cards should never be reprinted. But, if you could have one card be taken off of the reserve list and reprinted what would it be and why?
I personally, due to my fears of how the current Modern meta is shaping up, would love to be able to play Chains of Mephistopheles in modern. The B/G/x deck can no longer gain advantage by grinding down the hand with Thoughtseize and Liliana of the Veil activations when a topdecked Treasure Cruise puts you so far behind. Chains of Mephistopheles is the perfect addition to a rock deck and I don't believe it would be overly oppressive. What do you guys think?
I agree with VampireArmy, they definitely don't need to be in modern, but just having them drop in price would be helpful. At least in terms of Casual/EDH/Legacy
November 24, 2014 6 p.m.
Yea, affordable ABUR lands without the shitty white borders would be nice.
November 24, 2014 6:06 p.m.
Reprint Duels, but not into the modern format, make a legacy/vintage masters set. The prices would drop and everything would be better.
November 24, 2014 6:17 p.m.
I would love to see the ABUR Duals be printed in like a Legacy Masters or something. The problem with that is that it would be $20 a pack. And the price really wouldn't come down all that much. Not to mention all the legacy players that would be LIVID about for hurting their card value even if it was only a $10 drop
November 24, 2014 6:37 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #10
ABUR duals would be awesome, I don't want to have to pay 1200 dollars for one just to get the black border. Also the text on them is kinda derpy "treat this as a plains and an island and is affected by spells that would affect either one" or whatever it says.
November 24, 2014 6:49 p.m.
I don't think I want any cards that are on the Reserved List to see play in Modern or Standard. They use outdated design techniques, don't fit the color pie, are underpowered in today's version of MtG, or are so grossly overpowered they would destroy formats. For example:
Outdated: Sheltered Valley- should be legendary. They could just print a legendary land that does the same thing.
Color pie: Mystic Might- should be green or white. Verdant Field is an example of how it would be done today.
Underpowered: Bartel Runeaxe- 3GRB for a 6/5 vigilance and protection from auras? Ew. Ruric Thar, the Unbowed is more of something that would be printed.
Overpowered: This probably goes without saying. Mishra's Workshop? Fastbond? Mind Over Matter? Lion's Eye Diamond? I don't think Standard or Modern would benefit from having these cards introduced.
That being said, I wish the Reserved List was done with so we could have more sanctioned Legacy and Vintage tournaments. It would be nice to play Legacy more often. It would probably drive prices up anyway since more people would be playing older formats.
November 24, 2014 6:50 p.m.
The entire reserved list is an awful idea that WotC has already said they regret making, so IMO they should just forget it entirely and reprint everything. Seriously, it only exists to make collectors happy that their cards won't get reprinted and drop in value, to which I say "who cares, the people actually PLAYING the game would rather stuff not cost an arm and a leg".
November 24, 2014 6:51 p.m.
I'm completely against the Reserved List in principle. You don't need a public list of cards that are unreprintable for power reasons - you just don't reprint them. It was and is purely to maintain value for collectors, which I don't believe is valid when the collectible is a game. I can respect WOTC enforcing the old reserve list due to past commitments, but I think they should abolish it anyway.
That said, I think most of the Reserved List is too broken to see a reprint (ex: Power 9, a lot of Urza's block), not interesting enough to clamor for a reprint (ex: Merchant Ship, many of the Legends from Legends), or have close enough counterparts that can be reprinted (ex: Morphling->AEtherling).
So there isn't too much I'd really like to see reprinted, aside from lowering the barrier to entry for Legacy/Vintage. A Sliver Queen reprint would be great for whenever Wizards decides to do Slivers again and for Commander players in general. I'd personally love to play with Lifeline again, at the time I had a lot of fun with it combined with the Recurring Nightmare and Echo creatures of the day. Chains of Mephistopheles could be an interesting, but that effect scares the crap out of me at 2 mana.
November 24, 2014 6:53 p.m.
i have my chains, i'm good. what they SHOULD do is something similar to zendi forever, slip a few power nine and reserved list cards (blackborderd and NONmodern leagal) into random packs, but say, one per case to REALLY drive down value. It will still be rare enough for some cards to be $5000+, but easy enough for a noob to pull a dual land
November 24, 2014 7:02 p.m.
the thing was zen hidden treasures were cards already printed they had available, not new prints. also if you want black border duals just get FBB theyre much cheaper than betas lol, i have all my stuff although i wish they could still do promo foil reprints of cards on the reserve list, but im perfectly fine with it being there. I own duals, and have sold many duals for profit, takes money to make money. although ill prolly never own a lotus at this point im getting less and less proxies for vintage deck.
if promos could be printed itd be nice if like the winner of a legacy GP received a set of foil duals and then maybe extras for top 8 or top 16, even if 40 were given out per gp, thats only like 120-160 a year added to circulation, they printed ~1,000 judge foil FoWs and the non foil price hasnt moved
November 24, 2014 7:20 p.m.
I would absolutely love to see a Gaea's Cradle reprint.
November 24, 2014 7:21 p.m.
@Bellock86 If they did a paper version of Legacy/Vintage Masters, it wouldn't have to be outrageously expensive. WOTC can print to demand and keep them at MSRP.
November 24, 2014 7:48 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #18
ABUR duals, Blaze of Glory, Fork, Vesuvan Doppelganger, Wheel of Fortune, Singing Tree. Basically the fair and playable cards.
I really wish that they would do a Vintage Masters, and remove everything but the Power 9 and the banned Vintage cards. It would make some of those expensive EDH decks more accessible, and people other than those who already owned the cards might be more interested in Vintage .
November 24, 2014 8:08 p.m.
I'd love to see EDH cards get reprints. Timetwister, Copy Artifact, Wheel of Fortune, Power Artifact, Moat, basically all of Urza's block, etc.
November 24, 2014 8:09 p.m.
jr92_2000 ~ while I'm aware of that, that brings us right back to the reason for the reserved list. Collectors that would be outraged that their expensive collections took a hit. It's a catch 22 for WotC.
If they did that the collectors would be outraged, while those of us who need them for whatever reason (EDH in my case) would be ecstatic. There is no way to please everyone.
I for one am completely opposed to the reserved list on principle. Making the rest of us have to shell out hundreds and hundreds of dollars to be able to have a perfect mana base is arbitrary and unfair when the only "benefit" is keeping a handful of individuals happy.
I can't give exact math but I'd bet for every one person that got pissed, there would be at least three that were thrilled.
November 24, 2014 8:14 p.m.
@Bellock86 Collectors would be outraged regardless of the print run. If they were to take steps to actually reprint in demand RL cards, they're going to invite that wrath. This is a card game first and foremost, and there are much better arguments for the abolition of the Reserve List than protecting the collectors. What's keeping it in place is that status quo creates far fewer waves.
I'm hoping that the next [blank] Masters set is as widespread as Conspiracy. I don't see a good reason to limit print runs once you do commit to reprints.
November 24, 2014 8:49 p.m.
Thunder Spirit and any of the other average ones should come off of it.
I mean, Thunder Spirit is just a french vanilla creature.
And Storm Crow is not on the reserved list.
November 24, 2014 9:35 p.m.
jr92_2000 ~ oh I'm not stating that the reserved list should be kept in place. Quite the opposite. I was merely stating that WotC is in a no win situation.
Make one group of people (me included) and piss of another (the collectors).
I was trying to illustrate that the people who would be displeased would be overshadowed (purely numbers standpoint) by the people who would be happy.
November 25, 2014 12:12 a.m.
you get it huh Frayace?
He means remove Storm Crow from the BAN list, not the reserved list.
November 25, 2014 4:21 a.m.
I think there was a thing where bc of the insane value of RL cards crashing the value ie breaking the reserve list, would cause such a huge loss of value collectors would be able to sue wotc/hasbro. Imagine if you owned mint graded alpha/beta power, duals, etc and woke up to a loss of over $100,000 in value or more
November 25, 2014 8:31 a.m.
@Bellock86 I think we're on the same page. I was more expanding on your post than trying to refute anything.
@mckin Relieving the demand on the Alpha/Beta cards will certainly drop their prices some, but I'm not convinced that the value of those cards would plummet - at least not the duals/P9. Hell, if the player base for the eternal formats grows as a result of a reprint, the demand may not even wane much. We're still talking about extremely rare cards, and those Alpha/Beta printings will still be heavily sought after.
November 25, 2014 8:53 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #29
A crash in secondary value of certain cards from early Magic expansions actually happened after the release of Chronicles. The very vocal backlash from collectors is what led to the establishment of the Reserved List in the first place. WotC learned their lesson real quick about how dumb of a move Chronicles was (some cards had their print runs increased by 10x or more, which is way too much), but unfortunately it took them a lot longer to learn their lesson about the Reserved List itself.
There are plenty of cards on the Reserved List that have no power-level baggage (e.g. nearly everything on the list from Fallen Empires or Ice Age block), but were just added due to the largely arbitrary policies about reserving a certain proportion of rares and uncommons from each expansion. Those cards need to be unlocked. Who among us doesn't know someone who would love to have a Liege of the Hollows, Baron Sengir, or Skeleton Ship? Hell, I want those right now!
VampireArmy says... #2
All i care about is the land. All others aside JUST the duals and I don't even want them for modern. I'd be fine if they were part of a supplementary set
November 24, 2014 5:57 p.m.