Anowon, the Ruin Sage is Tier 3 IMO. Mono Black Vamps FTW

love this list. No real objections except that a good ruric-thar deck can absolutely rise above tier 5...tier 4, maybe even tier 3. My old ruric-thar drew a lot of hate and attention. He was certainly relevant to the table, was never played simply for his colors, and absolutely couldn't afford to just be left alone.

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About Merieke Ri Berit, she is currently tier 4. Another similar commander, Empress Galina, is also tier 4, and I think none of them belongs to this tier. The two have upsides/downsides. Merieke Ri Berit can steal any creature, but she doesn't untap so you can only steal one creature at the time, while with Empress Galina you can steal many commanders. But Merieke Ri Berit has a better color identity and access to a lot of cool cards, while the Empress Galina is mono-blue... I think they both allow for really political play, and stealing the best/one of the best creature on the table at the right time could win the game... Not tier one nor two, cause I don't see them going for an explosive win on turn 4-5, but definitely tier 3 cause they can easily be built around and go for political plays.

For Yisan, the Wanderer Bard, I definitely like him. I already moved him up to tier 3, but I think it would be possible to move him up to tier 2. I have seen some pretty cool list of Elfball with him at the helm on mtgtop8... Momir Vig, Simic Visionary is already tier 1 for elfball, Yisan, the Wanderer Bard could be tier 2?

What do you guyz think about this???

This is a really amazing effort. Kudos to everyone who's been a part of it so far, and a big +1!

My only request: Could you change the "Commander" please ... not sure about the rest of the world, but I'm pretty well sick of the whole Storm Crow thing. Maybe a Command Tower or Command Beacon instead?

Only two T1 Commander are not blue.10/10 seems like a proper list.

I believe Sliver overlord is strictly better than Sliver Queen. He sets you up for controlling others boards and allows you to tutor for the answer to any problem. While, sliver queen is just kind of a awkward combo piece chilling in the command zone.

About Merieke Ri Berit, and not untapping. Many people use untap engines to increase her effectiveness. With that she is a continuous board-wipe by herself if she is able to stick. Thousand-Year Elixir, Minamo, School at Water's Edge, Pemmin's Aura are just a couple.

hizari high powered sliver queen decks are not sliver decks. They are good stuff decks that use her to combo.

Edit, how about 1996 World Champion for the commander of this deck?

I would say that Gisela, Blade of Goldnight should be T2 instead of T3. In a multiplayer Commander match, she's going to cause your opponents to be doing double damage to each other. I've seen it cause mass rage and panic as the other players are struggling to defend themselves against Double Damage from everyone. Combine that with the fact that you take half damage, it gives you a lot of breathing room.

Anyways, this is just my opinion :)

JerichoDarkstar honestly, that is sort of how tier 3 works. She is def not used just for her colors, and has big impact if she gets going. It can take a little while though. She is not very speedy.

Great list,

Just one thing. I have never met a Sigarda, Host of Herons deck I haven't hated playing against. She comes down quick thanks to green and voltrons up with all of Whites enchantmenty goodness too quick for me 90% of the time. Hexproof is what I think keeps her as a tier 2 beater but thats just me.

How is Isperia, Supreme Judge tier 5? That seems cruel. She's powerful, either tier 4 or 3.

Also I think that it may be worth mentioning that tier 5 generals do work, but they tend to be jank or gimmick decks. I know Chisei, Heart of Oceans is one such general. You can build a really weird and fun deck with it without it just being a colour placeholder.

Mystic Remora would be nice in Chisei. Is that the sort of stuff it uses?

Yep and Decree of Silence

@ NecroPony: Tier 4 and 5 haven't been looked into yet. We're still trying to sort through Tier 1 through 3, so there are still a large number of misplaced commanders in 4 and 5 from Pmonk's original list.

I am bumping Isperia, Supreme Judge and Angus Mackenzie to tier 3.

Any thoughts on this?

I still think Angus should be higher up.

I feel angus is a tier 1 or 2.

Damia, Sage of Stone to tier 1 though. Bug is the best, and she is the best of bug.

How? Angus Mackenzie doesn't inherently win/lockdown on turns 4-6 (based on the definitions of the tier system. And if he does then it's because of cards that could be run in other Bant commanders.

I find it interesting that Wort, Boggart Auntie is a tier below Wort, the Raidmother. I'd argue that black supports Goblins better than green, and Auntie's abilities seem far more useful. I would say they're both 3rd tier, or at least that their current tiers should be reversed.

Having never actually seen a Raidmother deck in action, I'm curious to know the reasoning behind such a decision.

alecm, Wort isn't about the goblins. It's about stupidly powerful X spells (Especially in green)

I think the with the current tier description, Angus Mackenzie is at the right place on 3. Yes he can stop damage, but what can he do against all the combos that run rampant in the tier 1 that are not all combat damage based? He is still good to play, and a really politic dude, but I think tier 3 is the place for him. I would rather run Derevi, Empyrial Tactician in bant for a really competitive deck.

Angus can't compete with the majority of the generals on Tier 2, ergo, he's not Tier 2. I'm afraid to say it's as simple as that.

Speaking of Tier 2, I noticed a few more potential changes there.

Horde of Notions --> Tier 3. There are obviously superior placeholder commanders when building 5C combo like Scion and Sliver Queen, and the actual deck he helms (Elemental Tribal) is quite weak-- Tier 3 at best.

Mayael the Anima --> Tier 3. Her ability is strong, but it's far too costly to make up for her other weaknesses.

Medomai the Ageless --> Tier 3. Again, strong ability, but his being dependent on dealing combat damage makes him to unreliable, even in a control shell that doesn't entirely rely on him. He's too easily shut down. He's also fairly slow, costing six mana in a color combination with rather poor ramp capabilities. He rarely resolves before turn 3, and rarely wins before turn 7.

Jenara, Asura of War --> Tier 3. She's considered weaker than Rafiq. I'm not entirely sure how she escaped my last sweep.

Hanna, Ship's Navigator --> Tier 3. Her ability to recur key artifacts and enchantments is powerful, but having to re-cast them on top of the paying (1)UW to retrieve makes it difficult to use. Coupled with the fact that she can only recur one card per turn further weakens her usefulness. I've seen some fairly resilient stax builds that run her as a commander, but they're significantly weaker than Grand Arbiter Augustin IV's Stax shell, who is also on the Tier list. Thus, I feel Hanna's power more closely equates to those of the tier 3 commanders.

I could see Damia being Tier 1. Most know of the premier Damaia deck (Epoch's Dominus - Dreamcrusher Edition) and how strong it is. Not quite as strong as Mimeoplasm of course, but that's not an entirely fair comparison since he's sitting near the top of tier 1, and there is a small amount of wiggle room there. She's definitely borderline.

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sad to see kiku as tier 4 but understandable considering her lack of synergy. I love her as a commander though. my deck just sits their and kills.