Seems really good I wannna play something like this +1 I really wanna play a sphinx if final world how would you put at least one in?

Vampire_Lord

Thanks for the upvote!

If you really want to include Sphinx of the Final Word in this deck, in my opinion it would have to be in the sideboard. It's a good tool to ring in against control, in which case you can probably get rid of the random Murder. The thing about the SB is that it's heavily dependent on your meta. Try to predict what are the decks that will be played in your meta and plan accordingly; although, as I mentioned in the update, it is very likely that the meta will be aggro heavy. That said, you could probably get rid of Kambal since he would be sided in against control decks.

Now if you want the sphinx in the main, you could probably take out a 2nd copy of Sorin, or if you are on a budget you could easily cut out one or both copies of Liliana. You could also take out one of the two Gearhulks as well. Control decks tend to be very flexible in what can be swapped out, the deciding factor is what you are going up against. As a control deck you need a clear win condition, once that is established you just need to figure out what exactly you are trying to control: tempo, other control decks, aggro, burn, etc etc. Once you have that down you can make a more educated decision on what to remove and what to replace it with.

Hope that helps!

The_Riddlebox,thank you very much and yes it did help I will be playing this at game day I'll keep you updated with fnms and game day

I wouldn't recommend cutting down on your Glimmer of Genius's as that is the best target in your deck for a Torrential Gearhulk. The blue bot is getting less and less useful as you take out high cost instants. As is, it almost isn't worth running him and you may be better suited by something like Terrarion or Prophetic Prism for color fixing. Gonti, Lord of Luxury or Demon of Dark Schemes feel like they would fit better as your creatures if you wanted to keep that number the same.

The lone Murder in the SB doesn't really feel necessary either. Diabolic Tutor in the SB would help you a lot more because it'll help you find the one-of cards that your sideboard seems to want to bring in. I completely agree that it is way less useful than Dark Petition, but I think you have enough removal in the main that it won't really be necessary. Another option to consider would be Paradoxical Outcome, it is pretty situational, but could be rather useful in those rare cases, moreso than the Murder at least I believe.

Zaueski

Appreciate the insight :D

The reason I cut down on Glimmer of Genius is that while it is a great draw spell, probably the best in standard, it isn't something I want to see often in the early-to-mid game. Anticipate works better in those cases, and normally I still have a healthy hand with answers. Having 3 copies makes it very likely that I would see it in the first 3 turns, something that does nothing for me, but by cutting down to 2 I will see it more frequently when I need it. You are correct that it is the best target for the "blue bot", but Anguished Unmaking is a pretty great target as well. Overall I am not worried about it, I have only 1 copy of Torrential Gearhulk, by the time I see him I will probably have at least 1 copy of Glimmer in the grave to get back. I just don't want to go overboard with draw spells since this deck can already get me a good chunk of cards, and it feels bad when you are drawing into card draw when you need answers. Then again I am not the best at MTG so the likely hood of you being 100% correct is high.

I would rather run anything over Terrarion or Prophetic Prism, in my eyes those are garbage cards that are only fit in those Foundry Inspector/Herald of Kozilek combo decks. Demon of Dark Schemes is only good if -2/-2 across the board actually acts as a sweeper, something I had in the maybe board and not sure why it isn't there anymore. Gonti, Lord of Luxury is great, and I am considering him. The issue I have with him right now is that until mid-range decks and control decks become more established in the format, after rotation of course, I feel like I won't get much value out of both his ability and the fact that he has Deathtouch.

The lone Murder is a remnant from the current "pre-rotation" version I am running at the moment, and will probably disappear over time since I don't think it's a good card to have in the side. Dark Petition is something I was considering, but I ended up completely disregarding, spending one turn grabbing an answer to a threat that's on the board AND not be able to cast it on the same turn I grab it make this a bad tutor for standard at 4 cmc. Again, I could be wrong, but that's the only thing that made Dark Petition playable: you grab an answer, and you can cast it too.

Paradoxical Outcome is interesting, and I might just put it in the side as a tool against other control decks, or decks that are capable of easily removing my walkers. Something to consider.

The probability of drawing Glimmer of Genius by turn 3 is:

3 Copies in Deck: 33%

2 Copies in Deck: 25%

So whichever one sounds better to you is what you should run. I do this kind of math for all of my decks so I can keep the probabilities high and in my favor. To do that kind of math just google "Hypergeometric Distribution Calculator" and a bunch of websites will pop up. They're all fairly self explanatory and they help make sure the deck is properly oriented. Happy to help :)

Zaueski

That's pretty cool, have those calculators worked well for you and/or are they pretty accurate? If so I might just start using them myself. I have always just been content with what Tappeout's odds. It really does help to know the chance of drawing a certain card when building a deck.

Well its all still probability, but yes it has helped me a lot with deck design. I definitely noticed an increase in how much I would win after I started building decks with those in mind.

This is definitely a well thought out control deck(my favorite type :D). I've always had second thoughts on Jace, Unraveler of Secrets because if you're somehow behind in the early turns and this ends up being your only card in your hand that's playable on turn, it sucks in that regard. Having to deal with aggro hitting your face each turn with no removal just takes no skill imo and is always frustrating for me to play aganist. But I've always wanted to put him in to make up for card draw and another ultimate which is essentially a game winner and another threat they have to deal with. What are your thoughts?

And it does suck not being able to have all the gearhulks in the deck because it sounds so cool having them out at the same time but you're right. Cataclysmic Gearhulk has a better chance of hurting us than hurting them with the field wipes and creature removal you have.

Also agree on Dovin Baan. Essentially a sleeper agent for standard that's going to replace Narset Transcendent that'll be good.

Also what are your thoughts regarding Oath of Liliana in the mainboard? I've always had ideas for this card (or even Oath of Jace but Glimmer of Genius is much better XD) in the main because its a good removal if you stay on curve with your removal spells and keep their creatures to a minimum (usually two or less) and generates zombie meat shields for your planeswalkers if you don't have removal. Plus if its late game, its a answer to a Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger after you field wipe or anything big in that regard.

MattN7498

Happy you liked the deck :)

What you said about Jace is true for any other one of my walkers, but then again if by turn 5 I had nothing to play then I deserve to lose for keeping that hand. Jokes aside, Jace is fine. While his removal isn't as good as that of Sorin or Ob Nixilis, it still gets rid of a threat and buys you a turn or two. Also, the fact that you can get him to 6 loyalty right off the bat means he can take potentially 2 swings; and if he does stick around for 2 turns, that means you didnt get slammed in the face, and more importantly you also digged anywhere between 2 to 4 cards. I think he is perfectly fine, if he doesn't work as well as I would like him to I will cut him down to just 1 copy.

Yeah I like Cataclysmic Gearhulk but he just isn't that good in this deck. He would probably be better in here if I wasnt relying so heavily on walkers for advantage and win conditions.

Indeed, I think Dovin Baan is great. I don't care how "boring" people think he is. Sometimes less flashy is better.

I am not a huge fan of the Oath cycle. The only two I like are Oath of Jace and Oath of Nissa. As you mentioned Glimmer of Genius is better, for this deck anyways. Just one more mana and it nets me more cards in the sense that I don't need to discard, and it allows me to filter the draws beforehand. That beign said, if I ever bring back Emrakul, I might bring back the Oath of Jace. As far as Oath of Liliana goes, I don't like it. As an answer to Ulamog it isn't that great because most of those ramp decks will be using mana dorks now that a good chunk of ramp spells are rotating, so they can just choose to sac one of those instead. Not to mention I have 8 possible answers to Ulamog in the main, or 9 if you count flashing in the blue bot to cast Anguished Unmaking from the grave. I also have 3 tools in the side that can deal with Ulamog. In any case, I don't think I would get a lot of zombies out of it and if I ever need an Edict effect I would rather resort to To the Slaughter as it's same cmc but at instant speed.

What about flaying tendrils ?Also in my version I am gonna drop lilli ( for money resoons) and put in one sphinx and one more dovan bann

Vampire_Lord

Flaying Tendrils is not a bad suggestion but it's way too reliant on what the meta will be like for me to want to include in the first draft of the deck. It probably might end up beign a decent SB card though.

I can understand cutting Lili if you are on a budget, and the replacements you picked aren't bad choices either.

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