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I was talking about the only dragon to interest me out of these new offerings (Ramos) with a friend (greyninja shoutout) and I said "Casual amaze-balls, competitive trash" and that's what I rate most of them.
I'm not as high on Taigam on a personal level, but I agree he fits in nicely in GAAIV though TheDevicer has more experience with him so I'll default to his opinion on it.
May 25, 2017 10:38 p.m.
Oh I'm aware of the uses, I'm just saying that the argument of drawing combo pieces argument isn't a good one, using allies as examples.
May 25, 2017 7:24 p.m.
I'd be more inclined to stack the deck as heavy as you could with Tutors and counters.
In U/B there are a STUPID number of artifact tutors and U has instant/sorcery tutors out the Wazoo not to mention the unrestricted Tutors in B.
Then a heavy/decent counter package, some hate pieces, cyc rift, call it a day.
Something to keep in mind (and why I suggest a counter package) is if you put a Counterspell on a Isochron Scepter and have a Paradox Engine in play and mana to untap with the engine you can keep countering your own counter forever as long as the first one has a valid target.
May 25, 2017 6:27 p.m.
That being said you would likely be as reliant on Scepter as FC decks are on FC resolving not that that's strictly a bad thing, just something to be aware of.
May 25, 2017 5:26 p.m.
n0bunga I haven't, I just see the potential. Focus down on just Isochron/Paradox and then artifact/instant tutors. Chances are you COULD go off T1 with an absolute perfect 7, just need 4 mana on T1 and 3 mana from nonland sources (one of which needs to be colored) and you can win on the spot.
May 25, 2017 5:21 p.m.
Thaaaaaats not very likely to be true cEDH.
Just because a deck does well in your meta it doesn't make it a true cEDH deck. As someone who HAS a T1 deck that combo? He'd NEVER assemble it in time to stop a true T1 deck from going off. Prossh, Tazri, etc. They combo off turn 3-5 with counter backup.
You mention Progenitor Mimic and trigon, both of those cards see no real play in true cEDH Maelstrom Wanderer decks. They are slow or rely on combat damage to actually do anything which means they have to survive the turn cycle hoping that your opponents don't kill them.
May 25, 2017 5:15 p.m.
May 25, 2017 4:53 p.m.
I think the point is that you have Circu, Dimir Lobotomist in play and then you cast a ton of spells and exile everyone's library. Since it doesn't target players you get around Leyline.
May 25, 2017 4:11 p.m.
I have to agree a bit about the whole drawing combo pieces.
I mean shit, outside of the combo what does Halimar Excavator do? Yet Tazri is still Tier 1.... (same for Hagra Diabolist, though Kalastria Healer does allow you to gain some life here and there so it's not the worst outside the combo.)
May 24, 2017 7:41 p.m.
Personally if I were to build Esper I'd definitely try to play/improve the Esper Death's Shadow build.
Orzhov Charm + DS is incredibly strong, and when supported by a control shell I feel like it's extremely good. That being said, the current iterations of the deck need work.
May 24, 2017 5:33 p.m.
TheDevicer I use GSZ + Arbor in Yisan. It's less about viewing it as with a downside and more about looking at a GSZ in my opener as a Llanowar Elves. Normally GSZ in your opener is useless for quite a few turns as you accrue the resources to play it for something meaningful. (You won't want to play it on T2 because that's when you are shooting to play Yisan, etc) However, by simply dropping a forest and adding an Arbor my GSZ is now Llanowar elves #2.
Now, yes, you do sometimes have awkward Arbor openers but those are rare enough that I've never really had to worry about it. If it's in my opener I have enough ramp that I can usually spare an etb tapped land (what arbor becomes) along the way.
May 24, 2017 1:33 p.m.
Any chance anyone has a link to the most tuned Kozilek/Colorless list out there?
Looking to play it for competicasual and I know you guys keep an eye out for tuned lists.
May 22, 2017 6:57 p.m.
And who are you to come in, not at all involved in this at all, to berate me?
I am not berating anyone, I'm simply trying to explain how being caustic to people wasn't right to do. I've not been nasty this whole time.
However, you have come in and called me a "sad man" and "kiddo". Not once did I resort to name calling so I'd appreciate the same courtesy.
All I said is that he shouldn't be so toxic to other people who are trying to help. That's not moral high ground, that's being a decent human being.
May 21, 2017 6:15 p.m.
That's not the point, the point is that he's being caustic to everyone else about it for even suggesting it.
I'm not trying to change his mind about running a card, I'm trying to point out that the way that it is done is toxic.
I said before, there is quantative evidence that Flagstones (and fetches for that matter) are good cards. However, in single color decks the usefulness is reduced by a large margin. However, that doesn't change the fact that they ARE good cards. Therefore calling them bad is a fallacy. That's not an opinion, that's fact.
It's OP's opinion that they are not worth the marginal gain. I never argued with that. I'm simply calling OP out on trying to say that good cards are bad because its not fair to those who suggested them.
Tl;dr I'm not arguing about an opinion and trying to convince him that his opinion is wrong. I'm trying to show him that there is a better way to state his opinion and not come across as toxic.
May 21, 2017 5:39 p.m.
In point of fact it does see massive amounts of Commander play. GoST, Kytheon, GAAIV, etc will all use it, these are all cEDH and French (may as well be singleton legacy) decks on mtgtop8 if you don't believe me, feel free to look, it's all there plain as day.
You have missed my entire point of having this discussion though, my point is that you dismiss cards that are good and say they are bad when they are clearly not. You have, in the past dismissed fetches as well citing that they only provide minimal deck thinning and that they are bad in mono color decks.
My only point to this whole discussion is that you shouldn't just dismiss something in that manner because you make the people who take the time to HELP you optimize your decklist feel like their good and valid suggestions are "bad".
I have been simply using Flagstones as an example. A user suggested it and your response was exceedingly caustic. (You have been like this with me in the past as well but I've elected to ignore it mostly.)
What this means is that you are alienating people who are trying to help and thus pushing people away.
If you are kinder about your responses (even if it's just "please see the notable exclusions section, it'll explain my reasoning") then you will get people coming back.
Remember, the people suggesting flagstones, fetches, etc are trying to help you.
May 21, 2017 2:57 p.m.
NensouHiebara You asked "I don't understand is why everyone seems to believe that a land that replaces itself with a tapped Basic is meaningful in a 99-card singeton format."
I answered you the exact reason why everyone keeps suggesting it. It's strictly better than a plains in every meaningful way, people see that and try to help but you consistently call it a "bad card" which, in point of fact, it's not.
It does see play in soul sisters, B/W smallpox, Nahiri sometimes plays it, and Death and taxes calls for it as well. (I've also seen it in B/W tokens decks) Mostly fringe decks but all on the edge of being playable in modern and a few of those are quite popular.
Your statement "I'm not going to burn resources acquiring a card my deck doesn't need. My money is better spent on other things." however, indicates that the reason that you don't want to run Flagstones is purely that you don't have one and you don't want to spend the money on it. (Which is what I was getting at when I asked if it was a money thing)
It does help your deck, even in a minuscule way, and saying that your money is better spent elsewhere is not a reason to call a card "bad". Why not simply say "I'd rather not spend $18 for a card that doesn't help me much" instead of trying to say "It's a bad card" every time it's brought up? Because saying that a card is bad, while it isn't bad at all, doesn't make sense to most people. (Especially when those people know that it's a good card)
I can understand not being able to justify spending $20 on something that only helps a deck win .1% more often. Trust me, I get it completely, I do it all the time for my 3 cEDH and 5 competicasual decks. What I cannot understand is telling people that a good card is bad just because you don't think .1% is worth $20. If I can't justify it I simply tell them that I can't justify the expense, simple as that.
May 21, 2017 12:05 a.m.
After that I used Gisa's tokens as a way to break parity on Smokestack.
My group hated me and it was really unfun to play so I never bothered to tune it too much but honestly that's the only way I could see Gisa being ok
May 20, 2017 7:09 p.m.
Because it's strictly better than a plains. Whether you think so or not it IS strictly better in almost every sense outside of Emeria which is a largely irrelevant argument due to the number is basics and the fact that Emeria is reduculously slow.
Lastly, it's not like you're running Strata Scythe so again, largely irrelevant.
As I said, it's strictly better than a plains. Period. Which is why everyone and their mother keeps suggesting it. There's a reason why it has an actual price tag.
May 20, 2017 7:01 p.m.
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