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Behgz says... #1

Echo CircletMTG Card: Echo Circlet is cheaper than vangaurds shield.

Inquisitor's FlailMTG Card: Inquisitor's Flail could do just as much as blocking an additional or more.

May 8, 2012 10:40 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #2

Hey, thanks for the commnents! Your right, Echo CircletMTG Card: Echo Circlet is wayyy better then Vanguard's ShieldMTG Card: Vanguard's Shield. Do you think that some Thought ScourMTG Card: Thought Scours could come out for Inquisitor's FlailMTG Card: Inquisitor's Flail?

May 8, 2012 10:51 p.m.

Phyrexia says... #3

Ummm maybe Ranger's GuileMTG Card: Ranger's Guile to help deal with removal? Since Gloom SurgeonMTG Card: Gloom Surgeon only prevents combat damage, so burn can still kill it, and obviously straight up removal can still kill it. Also, against green stompy this could have some difficulty as their creatures will still be untapped after you swing, allowing them to probably swing for the win. Maybe some more blockers? Or some removal since you're running black anyway? Not sure what I'd change other than that, I really like the idea though, good luck with it!

May 8, 2012 11:48 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #4

Hmmm. Ranger's GuileMTG Card: Ranger's Guile or Sheltering WordMTG Card: Sheltering Word? Titanic GrowthMTG Card: Titanic Growth plus Sheltering WordMTG Card: Sheltering Word could pretect from the opponanat swinging for game. Could gain 5 life. I should probably still go with Ranger's GuileMTG Card: Ranger's Guile.

May 9, 2012 10:02 a.m.

Behgz says... #5

the very idea u might win via lab maniac is a tall order, i mean gloom surgeoning your deck down with lures, titanic growths u cast on ur opponents creatures, and then at the last second drop lab maniac.. u need cards like thought scour to provide a quick way to mill yourself when u are within range of decking yourself. If u rly want to pull it off u should -misthollow griffin, +phyrexian metamorph, +phantasmal image, or even +evil twin so u can copy the gloom surgeons and when ur all out of gloom surgeons and u cant finish decking yourself you'll need an alternate win con, titans or a wurmcoil, sumthin beefy like a batterskull.

May 11, 2012 3 a.m.

CrimsonKing says... #6

I see a big problem. You have 24 spells that target creatures and you only have 12,you need remove some of your buffs for counter spells and some self milling or add some more creatures.some cards you could add:

Forbidden Alchemy helps you dig deep into your library to retrieve your creatures.

Cancel or Mana Leak can help stall the game until you have Gloom Surgeon

One or two Diabolic Tutor can grab your Gloom Surgeon or your win con if you need to grab them.Hope that helps!I really like your idea with Gloom Surgeon and Laboratory Maniac it has great potential.

June 23, 2012 2:24 a.m.

Wabbbit says... #7

Then what would I take out? The counterspells seem like the best fit. Increasing Savagery is basically the main pump spell in the deck. Revenge of the Hunted when miracled or even when it isn't can be a board wipe and lets me mill insane amounts of cards. card:Ranger's Guile helps keep my Gloom Surgeon alive against removal. Titanic Growth is really the only thing I can see taking out. Also, what do you guys think of Mental Misstep for this deck? Could help me stall early creatures...

June 23, 2012 11:14 a.m.

CrimsonKing says... #8

June 23, 2012 11:41 a.m.

Anything I would suggest has been mentioned already... But I do think Diabolic Tutor would be useful to make sure you get Gloom Surgeon and Laboratory Maniac - no idea what to take out though (I seem to have this problem a lot)

Great idea for a deck!

July 25, 2012 3:54 p.m.

Valentine35 says... #10

love the idea. I have been looking for a good way to use Gloom Surgeon ...only problem i see us that self milling is pretty much your only win condition. and if by some chance you don't get out gloom surgeon AND Laboratory Maniac then your screwed. But again it looks like a very fun deck just not a competetive deck.

August 20, 2012 6:10 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #11

Lol not really supposed to be competitive. Kitchen table mainly :). Besides, Gloom Surgeon is pretty awful xD.

I don't want to sound demanding, but if you like the deck, don't forget to +1 :).

August 20, 2012 6:19 p.m.

Ginray72 says... #12

A single Mirror-Mad Phantasm can go a long way, and a Disentomb or properly timed Noxious Revival can gain back a milled Laboratory Maniac just in time for the win. Just my two cents on milling yourself. Vile Rebirth can exile a Misthollow Griffin that died in combat, thus netting you the Misthollow Griffin and a 2/2 zombie token to boot.

August 21, 2012 6:11 p.m.

Ya I was pretty sure this wasn't for competitive... one surgical extraction on a dead gloom surgeon means game over for this deck.

August 21, 2012 6:12 p.m.

Wabbbit says... #14

Yeah, no way is this competitive :D. Gloom Surgeon is a pretty crappy card.

@Ginray72. I don't like Mirror-Mad Phantasm for one reason. He is self mill. Not self exile. Trying to stick with the main strategy :). Noxious Revival could be nice. What would you take out?

Thanks for the help!

August 21, 2012 7:16 p.m.

Ginray72 says... #15

That's fair, and I don't want to change your idea/goal, I just thought that self-milling could put your Laboratory Maniac s in an accessible zone to grab when you need them, 'cause your "win condition" is really only four out of sixty cards. Just looking out for you!

As for for what I would take out for Noxious Revival ...nothing, if we're not self-milling.:P But, if I had to pick, I'd maybe drop a land and one Revenge of the Hunted for two Noxious Revival s

August 21, 2012 10:33 p.m.