IDD DDD - Pick 6
Daily Draft Debate
KrazyCaley
26 January 2012
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26 January 2012
1710 views
Last pick
Picks so far
This pack
1 rare, 1 uncommon, and 3 commons have been drafted
Mountain
Hate the unburial there is some green love going on from the passing side. So either unburial or the vampire
January 26, 2012 11:02 p.m.
My vote is Pitchburn Devils. Solid body with a nice death-effect.
January 26, 2012 11:04 p.m.
dorminjake says... #4
Rally the Peasants + Kessig Cagebreakers is a bit obscene, but I dunno, those are a lot of colors.
I would probably grab Rally.
January 26, 2012 11:11 p.m.
Arachnarchist says... #5
Rally the Peasants. In a deck like we're trying to build here, it can be backbreaking. We might be able to pick up a shimmering grotto later in the draft for the possibility of its flashback
January 26, 2012 11:44 p.m.
DeckBuilder345 says... #6
Really this is a crossroads moment... do we force white or red.
From what we have seen in packs i haven't seen much in the way of red.. not sure if that is b/c it is being cut or there just aren't that many red cards in the packs we are seeing. I tend to believe the latter. White is a natural ally of green. That said Pitchburn Devils is actually a very good red playable, extremely good in fact... while both of the combat tricks in white aren't that impressive.
Of the two white cards, Rally the Peasants or Moment of Heroism i like the moment. It gives the extra toughness which can really blow out an opponent during combat by turning the tables and it can seriously screw up an opponents life total calculations because we are able to get a bunch of life back. So for me it is between the devil and the moment.
I am having a really hard time w/ this decision... i like the idea of white green far more than green red at this point...but the devils really is a much better card....logic says... devils gut says moment......ahhhh....ok i vote Moment of Heroism
January 27, 2012 12:07 a.m.
rckclimber777 says... #7
I've played rally the peasants quite a bit and it has won me quite a few games. I remember one game in particular we were at a stalemate he was at 17 I was at 20, but he had a bunch of zombies and such and was starting to drop and flip werewolves so I was in trouble. Then I pulled a rally with a spare from evil in hand. I proceeded to cast both in one turn and then swinging for 17. He just sat there shocked then extended a hand.
With the haunting already in the mix we can almost guarantee that when we cast this we can swing for 6. The following turn flash it back for another 6 damage. If our opponents don't have any flyers than they're in serious trouble.
January 27, 2012 12:15 a.m.
MagnorCriol says... #11
I'm not entirely sold on Rally here, but it certainly seems to fit the deck direction we're heading. I also like it since it's an underdog sort of card; it never seems to get much love.
That's also part of the reason I'm leery about it, though. It's fairly underdrafted - most decks don't want it. So the likelihood of seeing it again somewhere is pretty high, while a card like Pitchburn is going to go pretty fast. (I'm fairly surprised we're seeing it now, in fact.)
Plus, at the end of the day, Pitchburn is a body. You can always use a creature. Rally is dead in hand if we have few or no creatures out.
I think I'm going to vote for Pitchburn Devils, but I'm not disappointed if we take Rally (as it seems we're going to).
January 27, 2012 1:57 a.m.
I vote for Rally the Peasants, but I wouldn't be upset with Pitchburn Devils.
January 27, 2012 7:25 a.m.
dimreality6313 says... #14
I'm with DeckBuilder345, Moment of Heroism gives us an advantage on life total and surprise attack. We can use it to bee a weeni to kill a solid body or pump a fatty for a nice life advantage, either way, th opponent won't see I coming. Rally the Peasants has a good chance of tabling but I do see reason for Pitchburn Devils. The question remains: are we sold for splitting ourselves naya or are we going to seriously break into a dual-color. Moment of Heroism gets my vote here.
January 27, 2012 7:42 a.m.
Well i'm starting to see we aren't finding a lot of removal. And the innistrad packs are getting eat up. Pitchburn Devils seems to be very good removal-wise. But Rally the Peasants is good too. It's a very tough choice. But i'm going with Rally the Peasants, because are curve is starting pretty high. We need to give it a little balance.
January 27, 2012 8:24 a.m.
And I think it is good to note thus far, that it seems the 2-3 on the (left/right) (forgot which way we are passing) are passing good green, and white picks that are surely no brainers if they were going for those colors. So green and white seem to be getting easier to pick. Also, we have been passing some really good black cards. (2x Manor Skeleton, Typhoid Rats, Vampire Interloper, Victim of Night) I think we should also be aware of the things we are passing off. It is sometimes great to "hate draft", and keeping that decent black card away from someone who will surely use it, may be better than picking something our colors. Anyone agree?
January 27, 2012 8:33 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #17
Don't hate draft if you can actually get a good card for your deck. There's no guarantee you'll be matched against the person who would have picked what you're hating, so you're only making two peoples' decks worse for almost no benefit.
January 27, 2012 8:45 a.m.
I'm just saying that if the other things are "Meh" in there, go ahead and take one of the good ones you see. Say our last pack has Mikaeus, the Unhallowed in it, and you just have only a Scorch the Fields in your color, go ahead and take the Mikeaus. I'm not saying pass up a Vorapede or something for a Death's Caress. It's just an option when there aren't many.
January 27, 2012 8:54 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #19
Well yes, of course, but that's a pretty extreme example. I doubt we'll ever actually see a pack so bad that the only card in our colors might as well be a Tips and Tricks card.
January 27, 2012 9:01 a.m.
Oh I know. Sometimes the "hate" picks should be taken in different consideration. My last draft, I pulled a Kessig Cagebreakers last pack, (innistrad draft) but passed it for a more favorable Brimstone Volley. (I was going Grixis). I sure ate it up final match, against the guy I passed it to. I ended up going 3-1 instead of perfect 4-0 because of him. I'm just wanting people to be aware, and to take it in consideration.
January 27, 2012 9:07 a.m.
We're almost definately in green, but we don't have a definite second color yet.
I've played a fair amount of Innistrad limited and I have to say that Unburial Rites is one of the most backbreaking plays you can make and I'm very surprised to see it this late. Black looks to be coming down the pipe from that direction pack 3, in addition to the obvious green.
I'm outnumbered here, but I'm throwing my hat in for the rites.
January 27, 2012 11:16 a.m.
DeckBuilder345 says... #24
@ bosheck i agree that the Unburial Rites is an awesome card, but we have already passed some solid black stuff, including a Victim of Night so it is safe to say some one to our left is definately drafting black, and probably heavily. Plus it is really only truly awesome if you can flash it back... which white / black doesn't fit at all with what we have drafted so far. We aren't even sure we are going with white much less try to shoe horn in white and black.
Best card still in our possible colors i think are those Pitchburn Devils.
On the argument between the two white cards the moment can act like quasi removal to blow an opponent out and or swing a life total back in our favor, and costs 1 less mana to cast, while the Rally the Peasants costs an extra mana to cast, and only truly helps to finish things off, and does nothing to keep your creatures alive or keep us alive, and it only helps finish things off if we have a lot of dudes in play which at this point is far from guaranteed, and it does nothing to help our creatures survive so if we don't win on that swing we will be down a lot of creatures or possibly stuck w/ no way to finish the job. I think the life gain and +2 toughness is more important, especially when you consider it can help move you out of brimstone volley range with just a single swing. Thus i think Moment of Heroism is the way to go.
January 27, 2012 1:30 p.m.
KrazyCaley says... #25
No firm consensus, but Rally the Peasants has a commanding lead. I'll leave it open to more discussion.
January 27, 2012 1:30 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #26
@DeckBuilder345: Don't worry, we'll get more creatures. If Rally the Peasants doesn't finish the game, then either:
1) You shouldn't have played it.
2) You completely wrecked your opponent's board.
If you really want Moment, I wouldn't be surprised if another one got passed down to us, or even if this one wheeled all the way back around.
January 27, 2012 1:36 p.m.
rckclimber777 says... #27
Looking at the current cards that we have we will most likely have a decent number of creatures in the deck. Cagebreakers, and elder of laurels are two very creature dependent cards. If we want to make them work then taking a decent number of creatures later on will be hugely beneficial. With that in mind I think that Rally the Peasants has a better chance overall at winning us games. Kessig attacks with a few of our creatures in the graveyard rally the peasants and we just pumped all of wolves and kessig. We definitely want removal and I would agree with that statement, but I would probably hope for that as we get further along into the rest of this pack and mainly in DKA.
January 27, 2012 1:37 p.m.
SupremeAlliesCommander says... #28
With the second half of each pack, we're probably going to draft a bunch of small to medium-sized dudes. They deal damage and die early to feed Kessig Cagebreakers near the end. If we draw them toward the end, we're going to want pump spells or a means to make them evasive.
Pitchburn Devils does work for us, but I'm not sold on the cost. I can see it getting chumped by 1/1 tokens, tapped down, or hit with a Pacifism effect of some kind. And that's just white. Blue gets Griptide, Chant of the Skifsang, Artful Dodge, and Saving Grasp. Bottom line, there's just a bunch of ways players can get around killing it. I think there is at least one person a few seats upstream who is dabbling in red. Drafting Pitchburn Devils to signal red isn't going to impact him/her. Someone else will hate it before it gets back to them.
Also, I think we need to keep in mind that this is a DKA draft with a splash of INN, not the other way around.
January 27, 2012 1:45 p.m.
dimreality6313 says... #29
Upon further review (and taking into consideration the ongoing debate), I officially change my choice to Rally the Peasants. There is a good chance Moment of Heroism might make it back around the table to us. Rally the Peasants has great synergy with kessig alone, not to mention the rest of our mid-range we will draft later on. I'm convinced that we jumped on Geistflame for the possibility of more great red coming to us. We haven't seen GREAT red. Pitchburn Devils is a good utility card but its CMC does NOT make it a great choice. By the time we play him we want to be playing Kessig Cagebreakers instead. The rest of the pack is just plain irrelevant to us outside of those three cards, and of those three, Moment of Heroism has the greatest chance to coming around the table.
January 27, 2012 2:26 p.m.
KrazyCaley says... #30
Moving along. Don't think anything's going to challenge the support that Rally has.
rckclimber777 says... #1
To me this a toss up between Rally the Peasants and Moment of Heroism. The first would be hugely beneficial as it can become a very dominant game changer not to mention the fact that we can flash it back since we're splashing red. Moment of Heroism can also save us from death in a lot of cases. Since I have to choose between the two I'd say Rally the Peasants. The Scarecrow isn't bad, but in the actual matches I've played in draft I really haven't found it all that effective.
January 26, 2012 11:02 p.m.