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Caerwyn I just gotta express this nagging thought - should the cost be softened even further:

"When ~ leaves the battlefield, each player gets X poison counters, where X is the number of time counters on ~. For each poison counter you put on an opponent this way, you lose 1 life."

• 3 counters, 4 players = 9 life
• 9 counters, 4 players = 27 life
• 3 counters, 2 players = 3 life
• 9 counters, 2 players = 9 life

would that instance make this card overpowered if it were to be a monoblack artifact?

Caerwyn, I absolutely adore your concept though - and this does balance out the strict awful that this card brings (to opponents). In modern this card will rarely get up to 9 time counters - tops it'll be 4 or 5, but at that point you should have Blighted Agent or Glistener Elf swing with a Might of Oaks or whatever for the win. Just for my own clarification - the CMC is still , and this card is still an Enchantment? Or has it crossed over into Mono-black Artifact territory? Seems like magic has been moving in that direction anyway.

Caerwyn, alternatively this could read:

"When ~ leaves the battlefield, each player gets X poison counters, where X is the number of time counters on ~. For each poison counter you put on a player this way, you lose 1 life."

For a "gentler" version of this card. 12 damage (3 time counters, 4 players) seems far more of an equitable deal...but then if you choose to wait it out and try and proliferate a few times then it would feel more like a reliable wincon - as long as you can take the damage. 9 time counters would only be 36 damage with a full 4 players.

Now you're talking my language. That's the kind of card I want - it functions well in modern - but scales up in commander. I propose one minor change here though:

"When ~ leaves the battlefield, each player gets X poison counters, where X is the number of time counters on ~. For each poison counter you put on an opponent this way, you lose 2 life."

My rationale here is that if you're playing this, then your infect source shouldn't harm you as much. You're taking 3 poison counters - 18 damage is enough. 24 is a bit on the ridiculous side in EDH. What are your thoughts there?

Caerwyn, now I understand your design. It's interesting - but doesn't seem all that potent - having to pay 3 and wait 3 turns is a fairly steep cost for poison counters.

what if I add in some elements from my design? :

CMC:?

Vanishing 2

"When ~ leaves the battlefield, each player gets X poison counters, where X is the number of time counters on ~."

: Exile ~.

Caerwyn, I love it. If the player chooses to just let the enchantment just sit on the field, 3 turns later everyone breathes in poison. However, if need be you can tap it and destroy target...what? What should it destroy? A creature? A Non-creature permanent CMC 3 or less? A non-land permanent CMC 3 or less?

Falcoshin, the way it's worded is that the longer the card remains on the field - the more deadly it becomes. In 3 turns it becomes "Sacrifice this card, all players gain 3 poison counters." However, if need be you could use the card to destroy...something. I'm deciding on what though.

Caerwyn, outside of making this card an artifact - what other suggestions would you make for this card?

Falcoshin, also white does have one distinct advantage here - it has some of the best removal options for creatures as well. I'd imagine that this card would be played in a Sultai Modern (or Commander) deck with cards such as Evolution Sage , Flux Channeler , Sword of Truth and Justice , and Karn's Bastion . Of the 4 listed - white can outright exile two of them.

Falcoshin, don't forget that Green is better suited for handling Artifacts as well. I don't know the current meta for Modern - but I do want to make sure that in case that a card like this is introduced to the meta, it can easily be disposed of. White should still be more than capable of handling this new artifact. From modern horizons alone white has: Dismantling Blow and Nature's Chant .

So, I just realized I need to make a few changes here.

The ":Sacrifice Glistening mists: Each player gains poison counters equal to the number of fading counters on Glistening mists." needs to be:

":Exile Glistening mists from the game: Each player gains poison counters equal to the number of fading counters on Glistening mists." This card shouldn't be recurrable. I'm kind of also flirting with the idea of making it a Legendary Enchantment - but that's probably not necessary.

One more note is that maybe we should increase the CMC? To what, i'm not sure.

Caerwyn, you're right. This card should be a colored artifact. This makes it way more on flavor and easier to get rid of - which is what I think the card needs.

Falcoshin, yes - having it come onto the field tapped is to give the opponent(s) a chance to respond - e.g. tutor up an answer to get rid of that card quick. Ideally, it's meant to serve as a straight up wincon. I was thinking of this card showing up in a Modern Horizons set, as it would likely find more success in EDH.

TypicalTimmy - Yes. Worst case scenario this will only put 2 counters on players, but when combined with the Proliferate mechanic, this thing is an absolute nightmare on the field. Especially if you have passive proliferation on the board like an Atraxa, Praetors' Voice or a Evolution Sage - or both. Those 3 fading counters could hypothetically become 6 (if you play a fetch land) after casting it on the same turn. So you go from 2 at the worst, to 5 at the best if it's allowed to stay on the field for 1 turn. The longer it stays, the worse it gets.

As an avid fan of infect...yes yes let the "boos" come - i've been desiring a card that puts infect counters on players in a fashion similar to that of Ichor Rats but not on a creature body. After a bit of thought I designed this monstrosity. I think it's far from perfect, and is probably bit too far on the powerful side. Maybe someone can come along and redesign it to make it something close to playable?

gradstudent, like any good student you should show your work. Why is Deafening Silence better than Rule of Law ?

And one more thing, Kayninc - you didn't tag your deck. To tag a deck use the following text formatting:

deck:<insert your deck name here>

or if you want to advertise your deck a bit more, use:

deck-large:<insert your deck name here>

For some reason the site is interpreting the code in the blocks, so uh...yeah just add double brackets And around each "deck" and "deck-large". Hope this helps.

Hey Kayninc,

Please read the forums rules before you post, as you disregarded one of the rules:

"So, for instance, I'm going to post my deck, and the person who posts below me, has to leave some constructive criticism, why they like it, and/or a +1 on the deck page; and then that person posts their deck here for someone else to review."

I'd appreciate a +1 on my deck if you don't mind.

cascadien, feedback has been left on your page. Again, good luck in your deck building. Onward - this deck is my most current creation - my love letter to all things Phyrexian (and Infect). I always welcome constructive critique and upvotes.

The Song of Phyresis

Commander / EDH LVL_666

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Ahem, so first things first - your lack of deck description makes things really difficult for me, or anyone to really give meaningful feedback as I along with you apparently don't know what you're trying to do with this deck. A good start however for writing up a good deck description would be Epochalyptik's Do you want to write a Primer?.

At first glace all I can say is that 46 Creatures is alot - almost half of your deck. While the creatures you chose all provide excellent value, maybe you could cut a few to make room for some more interaction - which your deck lacks severely. Having a few good removal options in form of:

• Winds of Abandon
• Cyclonic Rift
• Settle the Wreckage
• Pongify

Could buy you time, especially if your opponents keep removing your commander - which in my opinion is the deck's greatest strength and weakness. Since you're in blue, it never hurts to spec into some counter magic:

• Mana Drain
• Swan Song
• Dovin's Veto
• Rewind

You can at least have some say when your opponents target your board when you start to get out of control as you cast more and more things. I remember seeing an interesting post about Chulane on the cEDH subreddit, this particular post detailed a bunch of combos - i'll leave the post here but here's just a sample:

posted by shay0n:

• Chulane, Teller of Tales + Aluren + Man-o'-War / Dream Stalker / Kor Skyfisher (known as Triggerbois)
  1. Have Chulane and Aluren on battlefield, one Triggerboi in hand.
  2. Cast Triggerboi for free with Aluren .
  3. Draw with Chulane , putting any land onto the battlefield (if fetch, crack for untapped lands).
  4. Return Triggerboi to hand with own ability.
  5. Loop until you have Laboratory Maniac in hand, or hit tutor that can get LM.
  6. Cast LM with Aluren with one card left in deck , triggering Chulane and drawing a card.
  7. Cast Triggerboi one last time for win.

There's plenty there on the sub-reddit to help you go down the proverbial rabbit hole, so I encourage you to check it out and see what combo(s) take your interest. Again I want to emphasize this - please make a proper deck description - it not only helps you but everyone who visits your page. Good luck in your deck building. Also, +1 - for a new deck.

bushido_man96, yes. I stand corrected. cascadien - please wait at least a week before posting up another deck. But you're always free to just browse and help out your fellow magic players if you see deck you could help or critique.

cascadien, you're supposed to wait for someone to give you feedback (or a +1 if that's your thing) before posting again on the forums. So, you basically just robbed yourself of feedback for the first deck you posted up - since technically you just gave yourself feedback. I'll just go ahead and ignore your first post and take a look at - the Bant Bestiarum Vocabulum