Either that or Consecrated Sphinx

Just for my own curiosity, I'm wondering how two of your infinite combos work as they are listed. The two in particular are located in your first infinite combo tab (Under winning with this deck):

• Minamo, School at Water's Edge + Utopia Sprawl, Market Festival, Wild Growth, or Fertile Ground = mana of any color or green

• Arbor Elf, Argothian Elder, Krosan Restorer, or Voyaging Satyr + Pemmin's Aura or Freed from the Real + a land = infinte mana of the lands color

For the first combo, I think I understand the concept of using Minamo, School at Water's Edge to to untap itself, then use the mana produced by any of the enchantments to rinse wash and repeat the process. What I'm trying to understand is how this combo works for anything other than Market Festival unassisted?

• Utopia Sprawl - Only can be enchanted to a forest and Minamo, School at Water's Edge only can untap a legendary.

• Market Festival - I can understand how this works as long as one of the mana produced is blue.

• Wild Growth - Gives you an extra mana per tap of Minamo, School at Water's Edge, but you need an extra to make the combo go infinite.

• Fertile Ground - Goes infinite if you choose , but without another land enchantment or outside permanent, it would only prove to tap and untap itself.

Likewise, I think I understand the second listed combo as you tap the creature to untap a land, use that land to untap the creature, and go infinite. The only one that I can see that can go infinite unassisted is Argothian Elder.

• Arbor Elf - Only would work if land is enchanted with anything listed in the first combo (Utopia Sprawl only in cases where there is a second enchantment letting it produce a or if enchanted forest is Breeding Pool or another forest/island).

• Argothian Elder - I can see working unassisted as long as one of the lands can produce .

• Krosan Restorer - Only if land can and is enchanted with one of enchantments from previous combo, or unassisted when Threshold is active.

• Voyaging Satyr - Only if land can and is enchanted with one of enchantments from previous combo.

Long story short, it seems like a lot of that the combos are fairly conditional. I can see 5 specific instances where it works with just the 2 (or 3) cards listed:

• Market Festival + Minamo, School at Water's Edge

• Argothian Elder + Pemmin's Aura + (to start)

• Argothian Elder + Freed from the Real + (to start)

• Krosan Restorer + Pemmin's Aura (with Threshold) + (to start)

• Freed from the Real + Krosan Restorer (with Threshold) + (to start)

The remaining combos listed seem like you would have to combine the two combos together to get it running.

If I appear to be overlooking anything regarding either of these combos, please let me know since I always had a fascination with various combos (especially ones that go infinite).

finallegend: WRT mana combos, something like Wild Growth would cause Minamo to tap for U AND G :) so that does go infinite. You're correct about Utopia Sprawl, though.

How does Minamo go infinite?

It's enchanted with Market Festival and you tap it for mana. Now it's tapped and you can't activate its second ability without outside help of untapping it.

Raging_Squiggle: Oh, crud, you are right!

@finallegendthe second combo works this was play play Pemmin's Aura/Freed from the Real, on Arbor Elf use Arbor Elf to untap your Forest witch is enchated with Utopia Sprawl, Market Festival, or Fertile Ground tap your forest witch adds bule and green use the blue to untap Arbor Elf and leave the green in your mana pool and repeat this for any amount of manathis works the same way for all the other creatures except you dont have to have a forest as long as you always choose bule as the one mana of any color and Krosan Restorer doesent need to have thresold i hope that explains what your asking if not tell me i will be happy to go into more detail thnaks for the comment and heads up about Utopia Sprawl i will fix it:)

@Raging_Squiggle

guess i miss read the card

@Raging_Squiggle - Good catch, I hadn't thought of that limiting factor of Minamo, School at Water's Edge.

@FLATSO99 - No extra explanation needed. I think the gotcha that had me wondering in the first place was the fact that you stated "a land" without mentioning that it was enchanted. I understood how the combo would work with said land being enchanted. I was just trying to understand how it could be done without the enchantments. This is why I mentioned to get that infinite combo to work you would need an outside source (i.e. the unmentioned enchantments) except in the situation regarding Krosan Restorer with Threshold or Argothian Elder. As Raging_Squiggle has pointed out, the combo with Minamo, School at Water's Edge doesn't work out.

Looking back at the combos, couldn't this work as well:

• Krosan Restorer + Maze of Ith with Threshold + any other lands = infinite mana of that lands color

or would it just not be worth mentioning since it would only work when Krosan Restorer has Threshold?

Sure it could work, but Krosan Restorer would have to be declared as an attacker. Which in that case:

1. The opponent can block and kill your combo piece if you don't activate Maze of Ith soon enough.

2. The infinite mana generated would only last in the current step of the combat phase. Once you go to the second main phase, or even the end of combat step, that mana is emptied.

@Raging_Squiggle - wouldn't this be the same restriction that the combo Argothian Elder + Maze of Ith mentioned by Didgeridooda would have? I was just meaning that Krosan Restorer could be used as a potential alternative for Argothian Elder in this combo as long as you have an instant sink and Threshold is in effect.

Yeah, but unless you have flash or can win with only instants, infinite mana in the combat phase doesn't do too much good.

@Daedalus19876 added Rhystic Study in for card draw!!

You should not have mana crypt.

whats wrong with mana crypt

It's a superior Sol Ring, it's too good.

@Green333

im not takeing Mana Crypt as its essential to my turn one win. whats wrong with it anyway?

so painful

and unreliable

a 50/50 chance of 3 Damage per turn in a game where you start with 40 isn't that bad at all.

Better check your combos. Not all of them work. Creatures that untap only one land can't produce "infinite mana of any color" with Freed from the Real unless you're using karou lands. And even in that case, you'll only produce one type of mana. You need at least and two or to win using Tasigur.

I'm not sure how the Maze of Ith combo works. The creature needs to attack before you can untap it. Sure you can do it the first time but I don't think it will work into a loop.

Lastly, you don't need too many win cons to make a deck "better". I'd stick to a couple or 3 at the most and find ways on how to get them outside of tutors. Tooth and Nail for example, is one of the best enablers BUG combo decks can get. I think you're headed towards the right direction but this is still far from being "the best".

@Megalomania

sorry for the slow response i dident see you had commented

all my combos work you just Misread one of them i did not say that any of my combos that invole lands untaping and retapping produce infinte mana of any color i said it prouduces infinte mana of that lands color:)

the Maze of Ith combo works by Argothian Elder attacking and untaping your two lands Maze of Ith and one other land and then you tap Maze of Ith to untap argothian and tap your other land for mana repeat for as much mana as you want!

thanks for your comment i apreciate it!!!:)

I'm still not seeing how it's possible. You can only untap a forest using Arbor Elf and you need to untap it using the auras you mentioned. Even if the land is able to produce both and you will only be spending the mana to untap Arbor Elf. The same goes with Voyaging Satyr.

The Maze of Ith combo works but it only produces infinite mana during your combat phase which makes it pretty useless unless you have BSZ in your hand and the game is 1v1.

Oh, and the Mul Daya Channelers combo only produces infinite mana. The channelers can only produce two mana of any one color and since you will need to untap it using Freed from the Real, the other mana will also be . IT's still infinite mana, but you need some to cast your commander and proceed with the winning part.

i see what you mean the combo could only prouduce infinte green with arbor elf but it still prouduces infinte mana of that lands color heres how play Pemmin's Aura/Freed from the Real, on Arbor Elf/ Voyaging Satyruse Arbor Elf to untap your Forest witch is enchated with Utopia Sprawl, Market Festival, or Fertile Ground tap your Forest witch adds bule and green use the blue to untap Arbor Elf and leave the green in your mana pool and repeat this for any amount of mana this works the same way for all the other creatures except you dont have to have a Forest as long as you always choose bule as the one mana of any color hope that explains your question if not just tell me.

yeah the maze ot ith combo only works with an instant witch isent so great

thnaks for your comment may I ask you for a +1?