Splinter twin
Modern forum
Posted on March 4, 2015, 8:56 p.m. by IndepenentMeta
So I was looking at the last scg event. And I've been hearing a lot about splinter twin. I took the time to build my own version of the deck and I mock boarded a few matches vs my sultai, and I found it being pretty damn consistent. The mana costs are fair, it has a balanced amount of kill spells with counter traps, and you can even splash in some haymakers like stormbreath or tasigur in a glixis varient. I was pretty amused by the deck due to the fact that the old card game I was playing didn't have a balanced out infinite. I mean it's pretty neat that you can battle it out in a control style, go aggro, get discard options, and loot for a the infinite.I gotta say I am impressed
IndepenentMeta says... #6
YEah I could trace that back as far back as when yugioh started getting xyz. Or maybe a little bit before that I'm to entirely sure. But the deck is a master piece of magic the gathering
March 4, 2015 9:03 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #7
Agreed desolate lighthouse goes with the clique electroylze counterflux and pest so well in 3/3 splits although the mana base has to be at seven.
March 4, 2015 9:04 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #8
I have no idea what you're saying... Please try to use proper punctuation and grammar.
"the mana base has to be at seven"
March 4, 2015 9:06 p.m.
Also If your going to post a thread about your deck, it is advised to put the list in the description so others don't have to tae their to do it for you
March 4, 2015 9:14 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #12
You have to have 7 lands in order to use both of the number of cards I just named and disolate lighthouse.
Is that better?
March 4, 2015 9:20 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #13
Oh sorry my mom called me to help her with something. Thank you for linking the deck
Mostly I just wanted to talk bout twin decks. See the benefits of running straight up R/U over glixis or discuss other useful or less known techs in the deck.
March 4, 2015 9:21 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #14
A couple things:
Splinter Twin is very good, yes.
Counter spells are called counter spells, not traps.
And grixis twin isn't a thing, to my knowledge. In fact, the only three color variant I know of is the old Kiki-pod lists, and that's not even Splinter Twin. Maybe, maybe, some splash for white, but... I'm not sold on the idea.
March 4, 2015 9:41 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #15
5-ish variants of Twin.
UR All-In
UR Tempo/Control
Jeskai (less played now, but used to run Restos and Kiki-Jiki)
Tarmo-Twin
Grixis Twin (appeared in reasonable numbers at PT FRF, playing Tasigur, the Golden Fang and black removal)
March 4, 2015 9:45 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #17
Yeah I know lol sorry I didn't realize I had called them traps. They remind me of such from my yugioh days.
It can be a thing it has all the potential for it. I've seen it around a couple of times in my time playing magic. I just havent seen an event where it tops. Or any live footage of the deck being played. So it might be under heard of but diffently could be a thing.
Kiki pod lol that's crazy what did that look like?
March 4, 2015 9:49 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #19
@glister imma need some help with some of those nick names. What's restos and Kiki-jiji?
March 4, 2015 9:51 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #21
Restoration Angel, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Google Kiki-Pod decks. They were sweet.
March 4, 2015 9:54 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #22
March 4, 2015 9:54 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #23
Looks like the pods from now at days. But I still like it. It's like the earlier design sooo cool
March 4, 2015 10:01 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #24
Well, that's older list, long before the pod banning.
March 4, 2015 10:03 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #26
Damn lol that's pretty neat do you know of anything meta that's older. I really wanna know what people were using before gatecash was added
March 4, 2015 10:22 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #27
That's more less where I'm going next in my magic adventure lol
March 4, 2015 10:23 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #28
Modern was really different before all those series of bannings. Jund with Bloodbraid Elf AND Deathrite Shaman was dominating, and the Pod decks all played four Melira, Sylvok Outcast and 4 Viscera Seer. :)
March 4, 2015 10:23 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #29
I remember seeing bloodbraid elf before. I know I just started recently but I've been around for quite some time too you know ;)
March 4, 2015 10:26 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #30
Tell me about the Jeskai splitter what was in it?
March 4, 2015 10:32 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #31
"Tell me about the Jeskai splitter what was in it?"
r u 4 rl
March 4, 2015 10:38 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #33
Sorry to be rude, but your typing skills are abysmal. People can't understand you or take you seriously if you don't use correct spelling and grammar.
As for Jeskai Twin, it was more or less a Jeskai Control shell with Deceiver Exarch, Splinter Twin, Restoration Angel and Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker added. Wall of Omens provided value as well.
March 4, 2015 10:46 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #34
Shit I'm starting to think that matters too much in the world of forums. Although I have been able to get away with some knowledge it's still a burden to see people still typing troll stuff like omg I can't read this. I swear to god you miss one common and maybe misspell a word and people become illiterate.
Mostly running white for the wall of omens seems like pretty bad magics. Path to exile or maybe path to nowhere and we are talking.Other than that I would see less of a reason to run white over black...
March 4, 2015 10:53 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #35
It played Path as well. Lightning Helix was in the mix as well. It also had Celestial Colonnade, but the best reason to run white is Restoration Angel.
March 4, 2015 10:58 p.m.
FreddyFlash311 says... #38
If you're interested in Grixis Twin it wouldn't hurt to check out Gerry Thompson's videos and list from 2/11/15 on SCG's premium. It's been a while since I saw them but from what I recall he did quite well.
You usually want more Deceiver Exarchs than Pestermites. The latter dies to Lightning Bolt, which is the most played card in Modern according to MTG Top 8. Exarch, not so much. An opponent running Jace, Architect of Thought or something with a similar -1/-0 effect is when you'd prefer Pestermite but that's almost it.
IMO you're too black heavy on your manabase. That's just a quick look, I didn't actually dig into it, but it's worth fiddling with. If possible, fetches would help a lot. Two out of the three fetches you could run on-colour are in standard. That's a plus for ease of obtainment.
I'd suggest against Stormbreath Dragon. Thundermaw Hellkite is all but a strict upgrade (though it doesn't dodge path). Be that as it may, neither help further the deck's base goals so they're essentially just watering it down. I'd cut the slot in a heartbeat, and move Keranos, God of Storms to the board for when you want to board into a longer gameplan.
Cryptic Command is awesome. Running a number great than 1 is generally awesome in blue Modern decks.
Counterflux is more of a sideboard card but I can dig running it main as a main board nod to storm or other control matchups. It's not for me, but I can dig it.
Lightning Bolt > > > Magma Jet. You're running red but you're not running any bolts. This is not a good idea. Start with 4 and shave one if you feel like it's horrible (but it's not).
I'm happy to be told where I'm wrong. Don't get me wrong, I hate twin, but that doesn't mean I don't try to understand it.
March 4, 2015 11:51 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #39
Most top tier decks in modern are capable of adapting their play style on a fly to an alternate strategy.
March 4, 2015 11:56 p.m.
IndepenentMeta Look, I'm here because I'm really interested in Splinter Twin as well and I've been following this thread because of that. If we're going to continue this fine conversation on Twinning off and the merits of an awesome deck however, there are going to need to be some ground rules.
"Although I have been able to get away with some knowledge it's still a burden to see people still typing troll stuff like omg I can't read this."
This sentence makes no sense. It may be a burden on you to have the members of this forum inform you that you need to improve your grammar but it is a burden on every person who reads your post to have to try and unravel what you were trying to say.
*" I swear to god you miss one common and maybe misspell a word and people become illiterate."
Buddy, you miss more than a comma. You're using words that change the entire meaning of your sentence.
"Mostly running white for the wall of omens seems like pretty bad magics. "
Another good example. What is pretty bad magics? Is it pretty bad strategy? You've left your audience, whom you are trying to engage in a conversation having to guess at what you're saying. Would you stand up in front of an auditorium and try to host a debate while eating a bowl of cereal? I should hope not. The same principal applies here. Communication can't happen if both people don't understand one another. No one's trying to troll you. Please respect the rest of us enough to communicate with us effectively.
March 5, 2015 12:02 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #41
@glister that actually sounds pretty neat I like the helixs and access to electrolyze but I prefer terminate due to its raw power.
Colonnade is another one of those cards I can't get enough of. It's a beat stick for free when you have no cards in hand and it can reck some games.
Path ;D I love it
And as far as res angle goes what would be the main combo with it?
March 5, 2015 12:23 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #42
Oh and commonly would the Jeskai version run young pyromancer? I think it could fit the bill quite nicely.
March 5, 2015 12:24 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #43
I don't run any exarch due to the fact that I'm making this more of a control/aggro deck rather than a infinite oriented deck. Lighting bolt I don't see much of a threat simply because I have enough backup game to run pester. The flash on pester can work wonders on an open mana base.
The manabase is ok. I know it needs more fetches. Like maybe I can try 3x bloodstained mire. Because scalding tarn is way too pricey for my budget
As for Keranos I just use him as a lucky charm. I mostly find myself scrying him away. But if said game does go the distance Keranos ability really pays off. Puts them on a clock or I get a free draw. Seems pretty boss
Thundermaw over stormbreath I don't really like. I know thundermaw can be a beast and has some pretty good stats. But I prefer stormbreath cause of the protection frm white. Could provide the as you said path cover I need.
Magma jet over lighting bolt. This one I like I know lighting bolt cost 1 less and provides a point of damage over magma jet but I prefer magma jet due to the fact that the scry could help me build up the splinter combo. It's not too bad
And crypt command is pretty pricey man I'm making this under a budget. Hacen why im running fluxes. The price on the deck as I have it is pretty fair. I like it
March 5, 2015 12:41 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #45
@jraynor we ve had the same conversion for a while now it just seems boring to me to be talking bout the same topic when you could be contributing something useful to me such as Freddy or glister did. Their giving information on the topic. While people such as yourself run around and say the same repeated sentence every time.Basically why I'm saying it's fuastrading. By tis time I can tell most of you know who I am, Know bout my horrible grammar, as I told somebody on my homepage? If your having trouble understanding me we can get further by simply asking me "i beg your partend?" or something along the lines of "can you try explaining this again?"Seems like the more ummm what's the word polulite thing to do.
March 5, 2015 12:49 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #46
Not really I do want the chance to go infinite so what I made is what I want
March 5, 2015 12:50 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #47
If you want to go infinite Deceiver Exarch and Pestermite are the creatures you want. I would not cut them.
- They control your opponent via tapping anything on their board
- They let you go off on turn four.
March 5, 2015 12:51 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #48
You choice of no lightning bolt is baffling. Modern is an a fast format and you need to be efficient, bolt provides that. I understand your use of scry, but as a control deck the scry isn't necessary.
March 5, 2015 1:01 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #49
Yeah I'm just keeping the set of pestermite their the real VIP
March 5, 2015 1:01 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #50
Yeah but as an infinite deck it could help make the hand, or even help me pick the next game plan for the control.
Asher18 says... #2
can I see the decklist please?
March 4, 2015 8:59 p.m.