How do you all out there feel about this combo? (Edit: Not really a combo.)
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on Jan. 15, 2020, 12:14 p.m. by Mr_X_Lewis
The combo that I thought about starts with using Golos to play Bolas's Citadel for free. Then play Omniscience using the Citadel. Then play Vilis. And finally, play something with Citadel once more (if you can).
I know it seems like a lot of setup, but hey, I've seen crazy combos.
So tell me what you think?
Gidgetimer says... #3
Honestly, it just feels weaker than Bolas's Citadel and Sensei's Divining Top or Necropotence .
January 15, 2020 4:49 p.m.
dingusdingo says... #4
TypicalTimmy yeah dude, "combo" is short for "combination", like a combination of cards. Flexing knowledge and then giving two identical definitions and then stressing the difference between them hasn't actually transmitted any underlying concepts of deckbuilding or game knowledge.
"Combos are when you use one card to interact with another card to gain benefit, then use that benefit to interact with another card."
"synergy means several cards interact with one-another, allowing tighter play"
Just to be clear, you define both as multiple cards interacting with each other. You should try to be more clear than just saying "tighter play" in your definition too, which is another term you would have to define for someone not familiar. I appreciate you trying to spread knowledge, but if anything I think you have obfuscated meaning with overbearing usage of jargon.
To respond to your actual post though, asking him to remove Golos from the equation is silly. Citadel utilizes topdeck manipulation just as well as Golos, and the 5 color access means a Golos deck has every tool available for its own synergy, as well as a Citadel combo. Its much better to add a few more pieces like Sensei's Top or Scroll Rack instead of suggesting to drop the Golos entirely, especially since the OP wishes to run high CMC bombs like Omniscience and Vilis, which can come in for free off Golos activations.
Mr_X_Lewis To respond to you specifically, yes this combo does require a lot of set up. It is also a lot of cards and mana used for a combo that doesn't explicitly win the game for you.
You can make hitting your combo much easier and much better with topdeck manipulation cards. Sensei's Divining Top can combo with Citadel, but it also is strong with Golos even outside Citadel combo. Scroll Rack allows you to put your hand on top, which means you can plop 3 huge spells right on top for a Golos activation. Brainstorm is another great way to manipulate the topdeck from the cards in your hand and set up Golos plays. Cheap to cast cards with scry like Preordain or Serum Visions are also neat ways to set up Golos, but obviously aren't as reusable as other methods.
If you're looking for a winning combo with Citadel + Sensei's Top, please look at Aetherflux Reservoir . You can keep replaying Sensei's Top off the top to build up massive storm, and then zap players down after you've built up a huge life total.
January 15, 2020 5:52 p.m.
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #5
Omniscience only interacts with cards in your hand. It doesn't care about the cards on top of your library that the Citadel is letting you cast.
January 16, 2020 12:33 a.m.
Mr_X_Lewis says... #6
Thanks for the input 99LandOTK, TypicalTimmy, Gidgetimer, dingusdingo, and PhotogenicParasympathetic! I guess I still have some things to learn about the game.
All of you have valid points. I can see where you're coming from. There are so many ways to go at this combo in a better way. I'll see what I can do.
January 16, 2020 1:49 a.m.
fadelightningmm says... #8
It has been said before in the post, but I’m not seeing the combo here.
When I think combo I think game ending high synergy. Synergy to me is cards that work together to accomplish a greater effect. Whereas a combo is a synergy so strong that the advantage steamrolls out of control.
For example Sensei's Divining Top and Bolas's Citadel Synergize nicely; but, add in Aetherflux Reservoir and you have a combo. The synergy gives you value with no outlet, but the combo provides value and a usage for the value generated.
January 16, 2020 10:29 p.m.
triproberts12 says... #9
That seems nearly impossible to do with any kind of consistency. My advice would be to put Academy Ruins in your deck, along with Entomb effects like Goblin Engineer , the new Gravebreaker Lamia , and Final Parting . You can stack it that way, but with the mana you need to do all this, you should probably plan on setting yourself up to win the second Citadel hits the battlefield.
99LandOTK says... #2
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim
Bolas's Citadel
Omniscience
Vilis, Broker of Blood
To be honest, I don't see the combo here..you may be able to draw out your deck...but if you pull off the set up you can win the game using other cards much easier. Maybe I'm just missing something, can you clarify the interactions here?
January 15, 2020 12:43 p.m.