Penthoplayer: Jevela is the preferred general for a top 5 deck in cEDH (grixis storm). Even with Yidris running a similar deck Jevela as the general for grixis storm is simply too good to drop. In cEDH we don't often build around the commanders abilities much, as that is a liability. Even Zur the Enchanter who is the best general, is usually just a Necropotence in the command zone. Leovold is honestly a middle of the pack tier 1 general. There are several commanders who are worse. He is terrible to play against in casual playgroups but he is hardly unstoppable. Grislebrand would not be that bad as a general. Hes an 8 drop so you would often lose before you could cast him. Hes only banned because people cheat him into play on turn 1-2 and use him to draw your deck and win.

Penthoplayer, your claims about Jeleva and Leovold are quite wrong. I basically agree with everything Lilbrudder said: Jeleva is a top-5 commander (probably top-3 with Zur and Tazri?), while Leovold is a weaker to middle of the pack tier 1 (i.e. ~7-10th).

To extend on the last comment, I'd probably say the top 5 generals are:

1. Zur
2. Jeleva
3. Tazri
4. Gitrog
5. Prossh

However, lilbrudder is making some interesting claims that Sidisi, Brood Tyrant may be superior to Prossh, slotting in around 4th or 5th. Currently, this forum doesn't seem to accept Gitrog is a top-5 commander (he's currently in tier 2 which seems clearly false), and I may be incorrect, but I have reasonable experience with almost every tier 1 and tier 2 commander and I think he's a top-5.

Oh, yeah, Thrasios and friends is possibly a top-5, but that seems to be still shaking out.

With regards to the sidisi claim, I am too biased to know for sure but I think its safe to say this much:

FC sidisi is worse that tazri due to not having white. Her line to victory often (but not always) uses the graveyard, which is a liability. However she has between 3-4 playable outlets which is on par with Tazri and a 3 color mana base which is a slight advantage. She has less slots than Tazri for interaction but more than Proshh. She also has at least one built in backup win condition that costs 0 card slots since labman tainted pact and demonic consultation are essential cards to the FC plan. Her color scheme is very superior to proshh. While proshh has more outlets, which sometimes gives him the feel of a 1 card combo he is a 6 drop combo piece so to be fast he has to run like 30+creatures so he has little room for interaction. This makes him slightly more fragile. Also the quality of his tutors and cards in general are lower. I made this shell, which has tested very well, but is still raw. I think based on what we know about Tazri, that it has POTENTIAL to be better than Proshh but only time will tell. I tend to be dramatic at times so take my boasts with a grain of salt :-)

@TheDevicer; I've played that GAAIV list (BigLupu's), I can answer a few questions:

Future Sight is good cause it's an amazing engine just by itself. And it's fantastic with Sensei's Divining Top, which you already want to play in a control list. Then, it just wins with Cloud Key so you might as well throw that in. Cloud key is better than Etherium Sculptor since the deck leans on Humility.

Helm of Obedience is good because it's a one-card combo with Rest in Peace, which is one of the most essential pieces of hate to run, since it stops a number of Tier-1 decks. So if you're already playing RiP, helm is just added free wins.

Grim Monolith and Basalt Monolith are good because the deck wants to set up an early EOT Stroke of Genius or Sphinx's Revelation for 8-9 cards. This usually lets you untap and move into a win that turn or the next. Power Artifact is good cause it's a one-card combo with stuff you already really want to play, so you might as well include it for the free wins.

hope that helps!

I feel like Reaper King stax might actually be pretty good due to him being a vindicate in the command zone per scarecrow entering. Get lots of blink, clones, and other general stax and it would probably work. I have brewing to do now.

Is there any chance of any similarly experienced cEDH players taking a look at my Arcum revision and help me with some card choices that might be a better fit? I just completely reworked my list after testing Wednesday and last night, and while I've been pleased with the changes I know there's a lot of room to explore that I am not utilizing. This is really the only place I could think of to ask besides the cEDH Reddit:

Arcum's Asylum

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I am always coming and looking at this list for inspiration because I feel that the listing is pretty accurate. I was wondering if there were any speculated adjustment for the release of Aether Revolt. Does anyone think a commander might go up a tier by getting a new toy? Like Arcum Dagsson getting Paradox Engine?

I don't think Arcum (or Captain Sisay, the other big Paradox Engine combo general) are going to go up any time soon. A consensus on new and improved versions of them probably won't be reached until a few weeks after the actual release of AER.

Azami seems like the most obvious engine target.

I will say that Paradox Engine has given Azami a huge buff. As for a promotion for any generals based on Paradox Engine (Azami included) I'm uncertain. It's a great way to seal a win for each of them, but they have their flaws.

I think with the combination of Baral and Engine Azami and Arcum deserve another look but only after a few months in to AEther Revolt being released

actually interested on improving my sen triplets for 1v1 but i was wondering what people's thoughts are on running her with doomsday and her protection she provides from one player to protect the combo ... guessing her esper package is rlly great for that combo but unsure what her multiplayer version would look like since i'de like to have two versions :s ...

she is only tier 3 but i wanna make the best out of it

Adding Engine to Arcum cut off over a turn on average goldfish time. I still wouldn't advise moving him up, simply because, while this increases his speed, it does nothing to curb his deck's reliance on its commander or difficulty navigating certain forms of hate. Same for Sisay.

Also, a fellow cEDH Discord user is trying to make a purely competitive tier list. Thoughts? Link

Sp I didn't post my Purphy list before because it hadn't been optimized (and still isn't) I'm posting it know because it would walk all over the list you have posted instead, Frenzied Goblin? a real power-house, you'd Hate to have one of your other 1/1 gobos blocked!
My listI'd be willing to start optimizing it more with some help.

it isn't optimized because i don't care enough. but i have your first tier four deck! (don't bother, it's a joke) Halfhearted Tactician

Played EDH from noon to 2am yesterday. My brain is so fried.

Time will tell with Arcum and the engine. That being said he is looking pretty strong with the new addition. His problem is that the deck cannot seem to function without him. If someone could create a list that didn't rely on him so heavily I could see him go up.

NarejED: I like that other list alot. There are a couple of rankings I dont know about, but that could just be to my own ignorances/prejudices/biases. Having a tier 1.5 makes a big difference and the rankings are a bit more accurate than ours IMO at the moment. I have said this before, but I think that peoples aversion to change are keeping this list from accurately reflecting the tiers as they currently stand. I know for a fact that many people outside the list feel the same way.

I already brought up half tiers above (and got shot down severely), but they still do reflect a more accurate picture. To be more accurate, we must change. The tiers have been shaken up significantly since Conspiracy 2 and the removal of partial paris, and should reflect the decks that have risen or fallen to/from glory. The tiers will continue to be shaken up as we hammer out the standings and some aspects of the list may change in the process. I think we should take a vote on half tiers in a poll, keep a lookout for decks that recently got strong combo pieces, keep our minds open on old commanders with new angles, and demote soem long overdue generals. Time to change!

@Lilbrudder: Agreed. A major change is long overdue. When someone extremely inexperienced can come in and make a more accurate tier list in under two hours, there's something seriously wrong.

we could always mash tiers 4 and 5 push tier 3 to tier 4, tier 2 to tier 3 and split tier 1 into 1 and 2, nobody ever thinks about tiers 4 and five anyways. Phage the Untouchable is tier 4 for pete's sake!

I definitely support tiers 1 and 2 being split into at least three tiers, i.e. tier 1.5, but possibly also four tiers. There are currently 54 commanders in tiers 1 and 2, so with three tiers that is 18 per tier, on average, and 13.5 per tier on average with four tiers (which seems quite reasonable).

Dunadain I don't think it'll be that simple, some tier 2 commanders can fit into tier 1.5 and not all commanders within a tier are on the same exact same power level as of right now. I think we should implement a tier 1.5, but we need to move forward carefully with it and not just split tier 1 into 2 tiers while bumping everything else down.