Thanks for the great primer! :D
Btw, what do you think of Matter Reshaper in this deck? Or even Thought-Knot Seer in the SB?
I'm thinking about playing Mono-U Tron as my first modern deck, and I just wanted an opinion on some of the new cards from Oath that could be of interest to the archetype.
January 15, 2016 7:23 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #4
@Jack-Frost It doesn't make sense to splash an entirely new color just to tutor for the one-of Ugin, the Spirit Dragon.
January 15, 2016 2:32 p.m.
Jack-Frost says... #5
You're right. I'd thought he was running the chromatics and karn which would make it a viable option.
January 15, 2016 2:35 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #6
I feel like Kozilek, the Great Distortion is too big and spends for this deck, but what do you think? Also, I need help with Izzet Training Grounds matchup.
January 15, 2016 3:10 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #7
@Guftders: Although those cards are good, they do not help this deck move forwards enough. The Shaper looks good on the surface however it is one of those cards that is not good enough to be killed by my opponent and doesn't have enough reach in the lategame. I will playtest with it some more and see if I change my mind. Thanks for the suggestion. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. The deck is great and I encourage you to play it.
@Jack-Frost, lemmingllama: The call does not make scene in this deck as llama said as well as the fact that ugin is not needed to win which makes it a waste to have an entirely separate tutor for it. If I draw him, then most of the time ill be happy. If I don't draw him most of the time I'll still be happy.
@Dredge4life: Wow. That eldrazi looks sick. I'll definitely consider him as a one of however I feel like he isn't valuable enough in this deck (i'd rather draw a Sundering Titan or something). Ill get back to you with a clear yes or no depending on my test results. Thanks for the suggestion.
To be quite honest, I have never ever heard of Izzet Training grounds. I looked it up and I assume you mean the combo. Tell me what deck you are using and I will do my best to help you with the matchup.
January 16, 2016 3:13 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #8
Mono U Tron is the deck, main board interaction spells are 4x Repeal 4x Remand and 3xCondescend. The deck is hard to interact with because Manamorphose can just be re-copied, and I need something that can shut down the whole system.
January 16, 2016 9:56 p.m.
Jack-Frost says... #9
What is copying the Manamorphose? I used to run a deck like that and used Training Grounds + Izzet Guildmage as the base of the combo. What is his combo composed of?
January 16, 2016 11:48 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #10
@Jack-FrostIt is the Izzet Guildmage that's copying it.
January 17, 2016 3:35 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #11
@Dredge4life: you gotta counter the guildmage. That's about it.
January 17, 2016 4:30 p.m.
Jack-Frost says... #12
Then I ran a very similar deck and that's the only way to stop it. Why is he running Condescend and Repeal? When you copy those they copy at 0. When I ran it I pulled down the cmc of my cards so that I could copy everything, but those don't make sense. Also, I dropped that deck because I found it to be very inconsistent and it hinged too much on izzet guildmage.
Here is a link to XYMystral's Izzet Copy/Counter/Burn deck which is extremely similar to that one. If you can let me know what else he might be running compared to Mystral's deck I'll see if I can help you out more.
January 18, 2016 1:41 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #14
@Jack-Frost sorry for the confusion, those are the spells I'm running.
@IzzetFanatic thnx. I didn't think he'd work out.
January 18, 2016 6:57 p.m.
I have only one recommendation to this deck. I would replace the one Tectonic Edge with a second Ghost Quarter. The metagame has shifted away from UWR, Jund, Junk, and other long decks towards fast, linear decks like Infect, Affinity, Tron, and Bx Eldrazi. Ghost Quarter is much better against the second type of deck. I have found in my experience with U Tron that Tectonic Edge doesn't have a lot of targets in matches I have played, but Ghost Quarter does. Just my $0.02. The rest of the deck looks very similar to mine, though.
January 24, 2016 12:17 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #16
@OpenFire Ghost Quarter is also better when combating Crumble to Dust. You can target your own land and save yourself from losing Tron forever.
January 24, 2016 7:21 a.m.
Jack-Frost says... #17
lemmingllama I agree about Crumble to Dust I saw that and immediately said oh crap. I know wizards has been trying to find a good way to weaken tron for a while (weaken, not destroy) and they managed to slip that in this set. I fully expect to see Crumble to Dust sideboarded all over the place against tron.
January 24, 2016 12:48 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #18
@OpenFire, lemmingllama, Jack-Frost: I agree that Tron and the new eldrazi deck are gonna be way more prominent however having the option to search for either a GQ OR a TE with Expedition Map gives me more choices. If I get a early Expedition Map I can fetch for the GQ if against tron or against decks that have manlands. I will definitely play test with more GQ and I will let you know if I think it is better. Side note: Tec Edge can stop Scapeshift if you have knowledge of the Valakut Clause.
January 24, 2016 2:52 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #19
@IzzetFanatic I think you have an error in your primer. You list Remand as your bounce spell, but I think you mean Repeal. I also disagree with you, Mountain is obviously way better at producing U. Finally, what are your thoughts on Myr Battlesphere to sideboard against Path to Exile? I know Sundering Titan is good, but if I needed another creature should I use the battlesphere?
January 24, 2016 3:22 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #20
@Dredge4life: thank you for the edit on the primer I have ctrl "f" for it and am not finding it. I do say that you can bounce (Repeal) but that is correct. Also I will playtest with mountains instead and get back to you on weather or not it is good. As to the Battlesphere... I have not tested with it however I think it could potentially be a SB spot if you like it. After the ban I am surprised you are running into PtE anyways. My suggestion as of now is NOT to run because if they path your Wurmcoil Engine you will be pretty tight on life and the Battlesphere isn't gonna get you anywhere if you play it. Though it does give you some value against PtE, that value isn't enough to give it a spot as of now. Having The Engine out is almost always better because they won't always have the Path and if you can land it, it is way better then the Battlesphere. I will however playtest with it and come back to you with a more educated answer.
January 24, 2016 3:53 p.m. Edited.
Jack-Frost says... #21
Dredge4life The other benefit to a Wurmcoil Engine is that in the event of a kill spell or a boardwipe you still have two creatures remaining. I've been in situations where I survived and won simply because I still had those two creatures on the board.
Tron (G/R especially but this is true for all) has plenty of win cons and having one more that is slightly stronger than wurmcoil is often far less important than its lifegain and protection (deathtouch and tokens upon death).
January 24, 2016 6:28 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #22
@Jack-Frost I am completely aware of the advantages of Wurmcoil as opposed to Battlesphere, but the sphere is better for the specific reason of being resilient against pte. I wouldn't even think about running sphere instead, but I think it would be the best sb creature that can be ramped with Tron.
January 25, 2016 2:44 p.m.
Jack-Frost says... #23
Hmmm, you have a good point there, but doesn't Spellskite fill that role as well as cover even more? Instead of just being out and hoping that it is pathed (which is actually unlikely considering that most of his other creatures and cards are more threatening) Spellskite is able to pick and choose whether it wants to change the target to itself. Wouldn't that work better?
Also, assuming he does decide to put Myr Battlesphere in, what would you take out for it? Almost every card is necessary in his deck.
January 25, 2016 3:55 p.m.
IzzetFanatic says... #24
@Jack-Frost, Dredge4life: the only card I could think I might take out previous to my most recent change would have been one Mindslaver as I side one out almost every game and it has lost effectiveness as the metagame becomes faster.
January 25, 2016 8:08 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #25
@Jack-Frost I was thinking more of a budget option. Spellskite is a great option and one I didn't think about, so thanks for the idea. However, I'm not in the position to spend 40$ on skites. If this deck were to be banned it would most likely be the end of my modern experience.
IzzetFanatic says... #1
@DreadlightGaming: I have thought about it and may do it but as of now the cost comes from the foils mostly (as I mention in the primer). If you take out ugin and the remands for 4 mana leak and another sad robot and remove all foils you can cut it to about 200 bucks
January 14, 2016 8:17 p.m.