STANDARD LEGAL Mill. I have the black in there for abusing their graveyards to my advantage after they lose cards. I like this deck but I feel like it could get messed up so I'm definitely looking for advice. I am not using mind sculptor because he is far too pricy for me to buy. All tips are now welcome :).
I need something to do about the fact that while I'm milling through their deck, if I hit an eldrazi that says whenever this card is put into the graveyard from ANYWHERE shuffle your graveyard into your library (which I will HAVE to hit for me to win the game but it stops me from winning). Is there any standard legal card that can stop this? Because if not, mill is 100% useless in standard as long as they have just one eldrazi in their decks. :( Tips pleeassee.
December 29, 2010 1:27 p.m.
December 29, 2010 1:42 p.m.
Would that stop the eldrazis though? Because they trigger by entering the graveyard if I'm correct, so it doesn't matter if I remove the graveyard because the eldrazi is still causing issues there. Hmm
December 29, 2010 2:08 p.m.
The goal would be to play those graveyard removal cards to limit the chances of the Eldrazi to shuffle them back into their library.
December 29, 2010 2:36 p.m.
Hmm, that is an interesting problem you have presented here, Marin. The text for those cards reads like this: "When _ is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library."
Seems to me like the graveyard is shuffled into the library in response to the Eldrazi being put in the graveyard. My question is, could you sacrifice a Nihil Spellbomb in response to it being put in the grave and remove the Eldrazi and the rest of the grave from play? I believe this would be the case. If so then it works perfectly in this situation.
December 29, 2010 10:39 p.m.
haha, I guess nihil spellbomb WOULD work if you put it that way (I'm not complaining). I'm pretty pumped about turning this deck into something cool, thanks for the advice.
December 29, 2010 11:51 p.m.
You are welcome. So basically, you just need to play a Nihil Spellbomb and have it ready in case you run into some Eldrazi with that ability. This is something I would put into the sideboard rather than the mainboard. If you come across a deck that's playing these Eldrazi, all you need to do is side Nihil in for your second and third games... if you're playing tournament rules. =)
December 30, 2010 12:28 a.m.
I try to play tournament rules with my casual buddies xD, although I know what most of their decks are, I have a mono green (Yes....I DO know mono green is not the best choice :P) that is the best in the school :D. But yeah, I'll be working on this deck a little more later, right now I'm trying to get +1s on my infinite attack phase deck and see how I can improve it since it is a little slower than I want, turn 5 win usually.
December 30, 2010 4:01 p.m.
Ok well I plan on putting nihil spellbomb in the sideboard but I need some more creatures just to protect me, any suggestions as to what my last creature should be? <3 you guys.
December 31, 2010 5:22 p.m.
Good call, I was thinking a little on the cheaper side, more for agro protection, but I suppose the grave titan wouldn't be a bad idea.
December 31, 2010 5:34 p.m.
ya, its a good finisher. you could also add frost titan.. i no u wanted to keep it cheep tho did you see my sugesstion about the sphinx? it might work well too. i also might suggest diobolic tuter to serch for tramatize or ur artifact thing but you would have to take out some stuff and i dont no if u want that
December 31, 2010 5:51 p.m.
Actually come to think of it, diabolic is a good idea to grab keening stone midgame for a finisher. I'll add that tomorrow, thanks man :).
December 31, 2010 5:58 p.m.
ya of corse. how much mana do u usually generate a game and how long does this deck take to win wat turn cause i have some other suggestions for u depending on how much mana and how fast it is...
December 31, 2010 6:54 p.m.
trust me youll need nihil spellbomb.. vengevine and resembling skeletons cannot be countered by bojuka since bojuka is not an instant,, if he milled vengevine after you tome scoured then you die.. if you want to counter the eldrazis then use leyline of the void then.
December 31, 2010 7:25 p.m.
Well the issue is, it's fastish depending, but I feel like I have way too many 5-6 drops as apposed to lower drops, I want to speed this deck up, make it be able to defend itself early on, I'm thinking diabolic, doomblame, etc, for some more control. ANYTHING you suggest will be at the very least considered and maybeboarded. I need all the help I can get and I'm willing to listen to advice :). I want to make this into a really good mill deck.
December 31, 2010 7:25 p.m.
Good point mapple, I put nihil in the mainboard, and thanks for the tip on leyline, I put 4 in the sideboard, at some time I might actually take a good look and change it to 2 or 3 but until then I'll just keep four there. Thanks again.
December 31, 2010 7:37 p.m.
rise from the grave is pointless (in my opinion). you might trade it out for some mana leak or cancel and maybe add another one of that artifact. you might want to consider taking a look at your standerd u/b control and seeing whats there for countering some big hitters...
December 31, 2010 7:39 p.m.
Makes sense, my original idea behind rise from the grave was after I got 5 mana their library would be in their graveyard and I could grab a big hitter to protect me, but I realize now that by 5 mana, 1 creature shouldn't be saving me, too expensive. I'll put in some counters and doomblades I think.
December 31, 2010 7:41 p.m.
Couldn't decide what to take out for doomblade but I did get int 3 diabolic tutors and 4 cancels.
December 31, 2010 7:45 p.m.
Question...should I take out black entirely and add a few more counters? Black is really only there for very few cards.
December 31, 2010 7:46 p.m.
instead of putting Diabolic Tutor s why not put in some Liliana Vess es since you can defend them perfectly and she can use her ultimate skill at least once a game with this deck for total carnage.. -1 Traumatize and -1 Grave Titan +2 Liliana.. liliana can also search for the keening stone if you are in the edge of the cliff.. also reconsider balancing your Mill and Revive cards.. identify which ratio would play best so you wont have a hand filled of revivals and hard to cast cards without milling anything yet.. Sideboard something that will counter the creatureless decks since you will be reviving nothing :D
December 31, 2010 7:55 p.m.
Sounds good, I actually took out the grave titans entirely, I think I could get away with replacing the tutors with liliana.
December 31, 2010 8:08 p.m.
that makes perfact sence, i had forgat about liliana good point
December 31, 2010 8:08 p.m.
i wouldnt go as far as u did to take out the titans... u can serch with liliana for them and there a great finisher... i would keep them in...or at least have 1
December 31, 2010 8:10 p.m.
I mean, they are a little too expensive is the issue, if you play test this deck it just doesn't seem to generate the mana for them, even the keening stones are pushing it, I havn't actually won a game with them yet. I either win before I get them out or I lose before I get them out, one or the other. I'm thinking about taking those out too, hmm...but I see where you are coming from...ugh tough call.
December 31, 2010 8:14 p.m.
2 grave titans and 2 keening stones is what I have those at now :).
December 31, 2010 8:17 p.m.
Haunting Echoes ? and in my mill decks i splash green mana ramp for the crab.
December 31, 2010 8:19 p.m.
I guess haunting echoes wouldn't be a horrible idea, and I'd like to stay stay standard, mind funeral is godly though :P. I think I need to add like 2-4 land, I seem to mulligan a lot.
December 31, 2010 8:24 p.m.
hey both of you should add me as friend then :D and playtest my nihilium-control and help me there in return :D hahahah..
Memoricide works for the eldrazis.. just only a single specie.. but if you got PAINFULLY hit by an opponent's Elixir of Immortality once.. Memoricide would be an insurance that it wont happen again :D
December 31, 2010 8:46 p.m.
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December 31, 2010 8:55 p.m.
December 31, 2010 8:58 p.m.
wait haha i definately didnt read anything right sorry
December 31, 2010 9 p.m.
I mean elixir COULD be in the graveyard if it gets milled there :P.
December 31, 2010 9:30 p.m.
I do love the tips though guys, I'll make sure to add you guys and check out your decks. :) Thanks again I'll make all the changes soon.