Kagemaro, First to Suffer
Legendary Creature — Demon Spirit
Kagemaro, First to Suffer's power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand.
, Sacrifice Kagemaro: All creatures get -X/-X until end of turn, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
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|Saviors of Kamigawa (SOK)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Kagemaro, First to Suffer Discussion
7 months ago
8 months ago
So I have a strong desire to build decks around commanders who are not your typical commander.
What had me interested in Kagemaro was holding a board wipe over people's heads for only one mana. What makes me love this deck so much is how it impacts the way people play. This "new interesting dynamic" way to play is so intense. This has quickly became a new favorite deck of mine.
My question to you guys and girls is. What commanders like Kagemaro have created this new and fun way to play around. A political type of way of building a deck. Knowing that what you have in play, changes how people play the game.
Additionall questions. How has your experience been with that and how did you have to change the way your deck is built?
Did you enjoy building a deck around this?
How has it changed your opponents playstyles and decks?
Also share some ideas on my deck please
1 year ago
Testing out these changes:
1 year ago
Thank you for introducing me to that, I will definitely consider it when reshaping my decks. As for removal, I decided to rely upon combat deterrents and board wipes to protect myself. Kagemaro, First to Suffer and Archfiend of Ifnir can be used at instant speed but are conditional, although I think this is enough given my card draw. I have decided to categorize cards in the description to help me and others see how the deck is laid out.
1 year ago
I agree with the creature-based reanimation being too slow and have removed them from my own list too.
If you're finding you get stuck with nothing to reanimate sometimes I would start by replacing the noncreature cards with the same effects you can find on creatures:
- Ashes to Ashes for Shriekmaw or Plaguecrafter. Although you lose the exile part.
- Toxic Deluge for Kagemaro, First to Suffer
2 years ago
Commander / EDH*
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Blinding Angel is officially on the chopping block. I'm either going to replace her with Lyra or Teshar, Ancestor’s Apostle (Teshar from here on out). Lyra offers a hell of a lot of value in combat while Teshar gives me recurrence of my smaller legends.
Kagemaro, First to Suffer offers me an option to wipe the board should I need to, but I already have a lot of wipes. Should she be bumped by Lyra, Teshar, or Sidisi, Undead Vizier for that sweet sweet tutor effect? Should I keep her in there and add a Reliquary Tower so I can actually capitalize on her ability with out losing my hand?
Kambal, Consul of Allocation might be chopped if his ability can't be put to good use. Would I just be better switching him out for Tymna the Weaver or perhaps Mikaeus, the Lunarch for additional buff? Perhaps because of all the board wipes I'm running, I should just replace him with Teysa, Orzhov Scion for a little post-board wipe recovery?
Assuming more white legends take the black legends place, would it be worth it to run Mogis's Marauder ? The dude is a hell of a haymaker, but I realize with each black mana symbol lost, he becomes more useless. If that were the case, should I just use Blood Artist as a post-wipe gut punch?
2 years ago
Thank you so much for your help demonicgrizzly!
The reason I haven't put many of these staple cards in the deck yet is that I was trying to maximize the number of creatures in the deck (just for fun and flavor) and I tried to find a creature alternative for any spell I needed (for example, instead of a classic board wipe I've put in Kagemaro, First to Suffer).
I now realize, however, that while the flavor appeals to me very much, the deck wouldn't probably work very well in its current state because the creature alternatives have usually higher CMC than their non-creature counterparts, making the deck unnecessarily slow.
I will go over the staple-replacing creatures again and figure out which effects do I really need to be recurrable and where is it obsolete (like the mentioned board wipes - I don't need to board wipe again after I board wipe once since there is nothing on the board atm).
Now for your suggestions,
Entomb and Worldly Tutor are both awesome and I will definitely buy them at some point. Right now, however, I play mostly with group of friends, majority of which have very casual decks (they basically play with precons) so any thought-through, well-build deck is significantly stronger than theirs. I will put these cards in place of some of the slower tutors when the power level of my play group rises.
Animate Dead/Dance of the Dead/Necromancy will replace some of the needlessly expensive mass recursion spells since my mana curve is pretty high and there isn't always multiple great targets for it in the graveyard (+ since I run many recursion creatures, they can create "recursion chains", recurring large portion of my graveyard anyways).
Necropotence looks great but I believe (and I would like to hear your opinion on this) that I won't need almost any card draw spells because I can cast cards from my graveyard which gives me enough options. Besides, if I were to run a few card draw spells, I would probably go with a crature/s (e.g. Grim Haruspex) since I would have higher chance of getting access to it (thanks to graveyard-filling spells).
Angel's Grace and Silence would, in my opinion, fit in the deck very well since it's slow and it will need the extra time to be able to win. But once again I can't decide wheter to run instans, which will save me when I start winning and the table turns against me, or creatures (e.g. Platinum Angel, Grand Abolisher), which have to be set up in advance but can be recurred and are easier to find in the deck.
Definitely let me know if you have any other suggestions or if you think that I should exclude some of the cards currently in the list - talking about them often makes me realize some stupid decisions I've made.