Infinite Combos
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Posted on Jan. 11, 2017, 8:04 p.m. by ObamaIsIlluminatiOhYeah
First, don't tell me to be a better sport and not use infinite combos. Please.
Anyway, I'm looking for more combos (preferably infinite) for my Meren of Clan Nel Toth EDH deck. So far, I'm about to add the Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Triskelion combo and the phyrexian altar+gravecrawler+whatever LtB trigger. Does anyone know any other combos that would be good in my deck?
PhotogenicParasympathetic says... #3
TheDevicer: Walking Ballista doesn't infinite combo with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed.
January 11, 2017 9:01 p.m.
fadelightningmm says... #4
PhotogenicParasympathetic I believe it still would go infinite, but the clock is a lot slower on it. Walking Ballista would come back as a 1/1 thanks to undying then you remove the counter to ping. It doesn't have the counter now so undying triggers.
January 11, 2017 9:15 p.m.
ObamaIsIlluminatiOhYeah says... #5
Yeah except Walking Ballista isn't out yet... and it doesn't really seem like it would be worth it to order Walking Ballista or even buy it as a single from my LGS if I have Triskelion anyway.
January 11, 2017 9:24 p.m.
That doesn't work at all. It comes back with a single counter on it but it's a base 2/2 due to Mikaeus. Unless you have a free sac outlet as well you're stuck. Triskelion works because you can save two counters to finish itself off while still hurting an opponent with the remainder.
Woodfall Primus combos with Mikaeus as well if you have a sac outlet. You get a hard lock on the table by destroying all non-creature permanents and then win through beatdown, assuming you're not dead to creatures in play.
If your opponents play little to no black, Contamination "goes infinite" with Meren and any creature you can reanimate with her ability to lock them off all other colors from lands. You still need to deal with any artifact mana they might have, though. You'll want to play a lot of green mana dorks in this version of her build so you're not locking yourself off Green.
Lastly, there's the Necrotic Ooze combo with Triskelion and Phyrexian Devourer. This is set up best with Buried Alive for all three, then reanimate Ooze. Only works if you have sufficient CMC left in your library to ping everyone to death, so know your list well for whether or not you can pull it off.
January 11, 2017 9:47 p.m.
To clarify what I didn't state as clearly as I could have: The Ballista comes back as a 0/0 with +1/+1 from Mikaeus and a +1/+1 counter from Undying. It can fire off the counter to kill itself but then the only thing you're doing is getting infinite death triggers. There are combos that work with this, such as Bitter Ordeal, but you're not machine gunning your opponents this way.
January 11, 2017 9:50 p.m.
eeriekiller says... #8
Trike comes in with four counters and gets the boost from Mikey. Ballista gets a boost and only one counter, so he'll be a 2/2. With Trike, you take two counters to hit the opponent and one to hit himself so he comes back with Mike. Ballista only works with a sac outlet/infinite mana, trike is independent.
Now on to suggestions: Necrotic Ooze goes infinite with Triskelion and Phyrexian Devourer. Puppeteer Clique goes infinite with mike + any sac outlet (Viscera Seer), and Woodfall Primus goes infinite in the same way.Contamination + Awakening Zone. There's also Helm of Obedience + Leyline of the Void (yes it does exactly what it looks like.
Admittedly I didn't look at your deck so I don't know what is in there or what your budget is, but Hope this helps!
January 11, 2017 9:54 p.m.
Does the Phyrexian Devourer, Necrotic Ooze and Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord combo count?not really infinite but it's a win. I feel like jarad had some others but can't recall them atm.
January 12, 2017 4:41 a.m.
Use a persist creature and that lady that says you can't get poison counters and creatures you control can't have - 1-1 counters placed on them
January 12, 2017 5:39 a.m.
RedUndead40 says... #12
Its not infinite but Lord of Extinction + Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord or Lord of Extinction + Pathbreaker Ibex will generally end games on the spot.
January 12, 2017 12:49 p.m.
Hey there. I've checked your list and it seemed to me that you may be trying to do too much at the same time. The deck seems to lack some focus. I've been playing and improving a Meren deck for the last six months myself in an increasingly competitive meta, and I ended up settling on a combo oriented build. The deck runs Mike + Trike, Necrotic Ooze combo and Woodfall Primus as well (Contamination is in there too, to help lock down opponents), with lots of tutoring effects and ramp to get to the combo fast.
From my experience with the deck, I know it seems tempting to just add all sorts of powerful black and green creatures to the mix to try and cheat them into play with Meren, but then it becomes a sort of goodstuff list that has trouble closing out games. I think looking into combo finishers is a move in the right direction!
You can check out my list here, hope it helps!:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-multiplayer-deck/
Send me a message anytime if you have any questions or suggestions.
January 12, 2017 5:52 p.m.
ObamaIsIlluminatiOhYeah says... #14
Thanks for the tips. I'm pretty new to Commander so it always helps. I'm thinking it's more of a reanimator deck with a few combos in there to close out games.
January 12, 2017 7:29 p.m.
As another reference list, here's mine. I haven't played it in a while, so the list is still a bit metagamed around dealing with both Storm combo and an obnoxious Avacyn deck that everyone ignored because it would do nothing while the rest of the table fought each other to a standstill...
January 12, 2017 8:48 p.m.
ironmindraph says... #16
Omeros : 1/22/2011 The +1/+1 bonus that Mikaeus gives to other non-Human creatures is not a counter and wont prevent the undying ability from working (took from wotc website). So yes, Walking Ballista works but it also needs a sac outlet.
January 13, 2017 12:48 p.m.
You misunderstand. My point was it doesn't combo on its own like Trike does - it needs a sac outlet. Two card combos are strictly better than three card combos when their effects are identical because they are easier to assemble.
I never said Mike's +1/+1 was a counter. It is, however, a buff that keeps Ballista from dying the moment it fires off its counter. If it was a counter that would actually be better because that could also be fired off.
Arvail says... #2
Walking Ballista > Triskelion
January 11, 2017 8:08 p.m.