Retraction Knack: Turn 2 Win?

Modern ArchFline

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Archived Comments: Section II —March 28, 2016

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Emzed says... #1

Pact of Negation seems solid for your sideboard. Defense Grid could also be useful.

March 6, 2016 7:01 p.m.

ArchFline says... #2

I had pact in the first iteration but dropped it due to price but yes it would generally be a replacement to Dispel.

March 6, 2016 9:40 p.m.

Qinne says... #3

Try 3x Grab the reins, to set off cards like Altar of the Brood and give an even more powerful win condition. Also, you need some rituals. Just so you can cast more spells in one turn. Also, I agree wwith Emzed. Defense Grid would be insane! Good job on top charts :)

March 7, 2016 8:12 a.m.

ArchFline says... #4

I find that Grab the Reins is far to high of a cost to effectively add to this deck as I only run 18 lands and the card does not directly help my combo to function while often enough being a dead card in hand. As for Defense Grid I will see about adding it to my sideboard.

March 7, 2016 9:27 a.m.

Emzed says... #5

Ancient Stirrings could dig pretty deep into your deck and help you find a land, Nettle Drone or one of your artifacts. It would require you to splash another color, but maybe it's worth it.

March 7, 2016 10:07 a.m.

Qinne says... #6

Did I say Grab the Reins? Sorry I'm such an idiot :/ I meant Empty the Warrens. LOL just made a goblin commander deck sry

March 7, 2016 5:28 p.m.

ArchFline says... #7

On principle I like Empty the Warrens but it falls into a similar niche of being slow as its increased mana cost and production of non haste creatures give my opponent more room with which to counter play against me. As for indirect damage which would be the primary reason to run this card, I find that I have plenty from infinitely combining off Nettle Drone for his aoe player burn.

March 7, 2016 7:43 p.m.

Qinne says... #8

If you only run 18 lands, I suggest you use at least 3 rituals

March 7, 2016 9:13 p.m.

JacobAGrossman says... #9

Like the deck, solid storm-like wombo. Seems you're super vulnerable to hand disruption, though. Maybe something like Leyline of Sanctity, so that way you wouldn't have to spend mana on it?

March 17, 2016 10:06 p.m. Edited.

ArchFline says... #10

It is hard to warrent a card that I cannot effectively cast in the situation that I do not have it in my starting hand. In most cases it would end up as a dead card at every stage in the game outside of the opening-hand. This pretty much means that I would need to run 4 in my sideboard to reliably be able to play the card on turn one (which would be the entire point of having it), to this end I just can't see making this addition as its addition would threaten the consistency of the deck under the pretense of attempting to correct such a vulnerability due to forced discard.

March 17, 2016 10:22 p.m.

Ryujinn says... #11

As so.some else who really enjoys combos, it's clear that this decks biggest weakness is itself, and if nettle drone dies to insert literally any removal spell here you are quite screwes, unless I'm missing something. For example I'm running gut shot 4x MB, if you simian spirit guide T1 for him, guess whose getting shotted before my turn even happens, yup that dude, so it's relevant that you need a consistent way to protect it / bring it back, so cards like Apostle's Blessing or Noxious Revival, essentially cards that help you without stressing your mana base seems optimal, also replacing 1 Steam Vents for a Watery Grave also opens up your side board to black, which I think your deck would like

March 18, 2016 6:29 a.m.

ArchFline says... #12

So it's important to note that this deck is built to compete against the current meta which lets be fair does not use Gutshot my mins worries turn 2 are Path to Exile and Lightning Bolt this is why my side board has ample anti-control cards in it as unless I'm fighting a deck that has access to heavy control I usually can out pace them before light removal comes into play. That being said every competitive deck (that doesn't get banned to pieces in the first few months) has clear weaknesses which are unavoidable. You can't make a deck like the current eldrazi aggro out of every deck as no deck should be that meta crushing. So I feel that this decks power level is appropriate given its weaknesses.

March 18, 2016 12:36 p.m.

Ryujinn says... #14

Well actually a lot more decks are adopting gut shots due to their success in eldrazi, and capability to be ran in any deck, so you're wrong on that I hope you are now aware. And the current meta is eldrazi by %50 in each event whom all run gut shot, and you not incorporating black or any additional color for the protection they provide I think is a bad idea. Last note you should put some Ingot Chewer in your board, chalice on 0 destroys you

March 18, 2016 5:56 p.m.

Emzed says... #15

Gut Shot certainly sees some play right now, but you are making it sound as if it's very prominent. I don't think that's accurate, you have to keep the card in mind, but you will certainly see a lot more Path to Exiles and Dismembers than Gut Shots. Concerning Chalice of the Void - Shattering Spree is a perfectly fine answer to that, as you can trick the chalice by using Replicate.

March 18, 2016 6:38 p.m.

ArchFline says... #16

Thank you Emzed additionally I'm not structuring the deck to fight eldrazi as come SOI launch I doubt That I won't see its core banned :/ so what's the point of building a deck to fight something only moments away from dropping out of existence.

March 19, 2016 12:10 a.m.