Retraction Knack: Turn 2 Win?

Modern ArchFline

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Archived Comments: Section II —March 28, 2016

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Dorotheus says... #1

1x Molten Nursery just to get another source of damage, or make it repeated less.

March 2, 2016 2:58 a.m.

Mclovin8617 says... #2

@Dorotheus This isn't a Molten Nursery deck. If you're trying to make the deck win with repeated loss, you're doing it wrong. It's either infinite mill or ~infinite damage with Grapeshot. Molten Nursery would slow down the deck, and is a pretty bad replacement for Grapeshot.

@ArchFline Yes, you may have optimised the speed of this combo, and pulling off a turn 2 kill is rewarding, but to improve consistency I'd adopt a slower version with more card draw and counter spells to protect the main combo. Mainboard Serum Visions, some disruption, and Dispel for when you're comboing off. Because the deck is so symmetrical, I find mulligans hardly help at all. Too often I end up with 3 Banishing Knack or 3 Mishra's Bauble. Or even if I have one of each piece required for the combo, I can just imagine getting Thoughtseize'd or Thought-Knot Seer'd. More card draw, more interaction, take the speed down a notch.

March 2, 2016 5:47 a.m.

CrapSavant says... #3

I really love this deck. I just did it on my youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_JNh0i-HssrJdb0h0dRp8Q) and pulled the turn 2 win. (Don't worry, I credited you). It will be uploaded in a few hours. Amazing deck! Suprisingly consistent.

March 2, 2016 8:21 a.m.

ArchFline says... #4

:D thank you for commenting I will be sure to watch. I just updated the deck adding in Street Wraith for added filtering which should bolster the decks general consistency.

March 2, 2016 9:45 a.m.

ArchFline says... #5

By the way guys WE MADE IT TO #1 SPOT ON TOP LIST!!

March 2, 2016 9:58 a.m.

CrapSavant says... #6

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNGpXm3APXs

March 2, 2016 10:25 p.m.

TheValueCards says... #7

I love the idea but I hate the 712 dollar cost :(

March 2, 2016 10:33 p.m.

CrapSavant says... #8

@TheValueCards it is surpisingly cheap in comparison to other powerful modern decks. You can swap out the Scalding Tarns for something else and it wil be just as good.

March 2, 2016 10:50 p.m.

ArchFline says... #9

Yeah if you swap out the fetches for some cheap buddy lands or pain lands this deck reduces in price by like $4-500 easy, that being said you lose consistency which is why the price is what it is.

March 2, 2016 11:35 p.m. Edited.

You can also do this combo with Midnight Guard and something like Ornithopter

March 3, 2016 2:06 p.m.

ArchFline says... #12

Yes there is but I've found red blue to be a more desirable color base as white offers me little. That and while I like the 0 cost artifact creatures some of the etb untap creatures don't function with them which is limiting.

March 3, 2016 2:34 p.m.

WomboCombo says... #13

I am WomboCombo and I approve of this deck.

March 3, 2016 8:54 p.m.

kokimom says... #14

i might just be dumb, but i dont get how this works? :p and im a sucker for mill. pliz tell me what happens and why :3

March 4, 2016 3:41 p.m.

ArchFline says... #15

The core engine is Nettle Drone/Zephyr Scribe + Retraction Helix/Banishing Knack cast onto the creature to allow them to send stuff back till end of turn then you play Altar of the Brood and infinitely cast a 0 cost artifact (send it back to hand and subsequently recast due to its interaction with the creature.

March 4, 2016 4:07 p.m.

kokimom says... #16

aaaah, i only looked at the wombo combo spoiler and didnt realy look to much into the deck xP i feal dumb now.. have a +1

March 4, 2016 4:30 p.m.

Mrbiscuit22 says... #17

love the deck, also a cost alternative for Scalding Tarn could be either Polluted Delta or Misty Rainforest because the both islands and steam vents can be fetched by any blue grabbing fetchland and it saves you money :)

March 5, 2016 3:48 p.m.
March 5, 2016 4:25 p.m.

theleoslion says... #19

If you throw in a Molten Nursery then it will also deal infinite damage.

March 5, 2016 5:59 p.m.

ArchFline says... #20

@Mrbiscuit22 you are 100% correct but I already own a play set of Scalding Tarn so it's just cheaper for me that way... Plus I just love the way it looks.

March 5, 2016 6:07 p.m.

theleoslion says... #21

Are you gonna try theMolten Nursery? please it will make thee eco better.

March 5, 2016 6:11 p.m.

ArchFline says... #22

@theleoslion I have 3 primary combo outlets being Grapeshot, Altar of the Brood, and Nettle Drone which comes to 10 possible outlets with 6 of them being devoted outlets. To this end I can't warrant running Molten Nursery as it is both slow to play and unnecessary given the competition it faces toward alternative outlets. That being said thank you for the comment I appreciate your input.

March 5, 2016 11:54 p.m.

theleoslion says... #25

K, cheers

March 6, 2016 9:47 a.m.