Jank Primers: Mishra

Commander / EDH brokendwarf

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theboss111 says... #1

I love artifacts and I wanted Mishra to be my general but by looking at his ability I said to myself, this isn't going to work. But after looking at this list, I am working on building a Mishra edh deck!

April 8, 2015 12:49 p.m.

BTMas2k says... #2

Sorry haven't done the digging to find out yet, but any reason for the snow-covered lands? Just goin through and building my own version and hadn't seen any reason to have them yet. BTW awesome deck idea. I love jank commanders and wouldn't have figured this one out on my own. +1

April 11, 2015 7:46 p.m.

brokendwarf says... #3

BTMas2k: the point of snow-covered lands is for other people's Extraplanar Lens. Most people who run it also run snow-covered basics so only they get the benefit of Lens. Extraplanar Lens checks the name of the land imprinted on it; for example, if an Island is imprinted, Islands will produce more mana. Likewise, if a Snow-Covered Island is imprinted, Snow-Covered Islands will produce more mana.

April 12, 2015 12:16 p.m.

anRkey says... #4

I just wanted to comment on your statement in the description: "My opponent knows he doesn't want that Batterskull happening so he decides to counter it, thus putting in the graveyard. My opponent, however, fails to realize that Mishra's ability hasn't resolved yet." The simple way for your opponent to get around this is just to wait until Mishra's ability has resolved.

You cast a Batterskull with Mishra, Artificer Prodigy on the field, his ability triggers before anyone gets priority.

Stack looks like: Batterskull, Mishra trigger

Players now pass priority and your opponent waits for Mishra's trigger to resolve (finding nothing since you can only have one in the deck)

Stack looks like: Batterskull

Opponent casts Counterspell

Stack looks like: Batterskull, Counterspell

Counterspell resolves and counters Batterskull, sending it to the graveyard.

I'm putting the deck down. I love Mishra and used him once before. I just wanted to point this out in case you or any of your opponents believed your artifacts were uncounterable with Mishra out.

April 12, 2015 7:51 p.m.

oblivion234 says... #5

You might want to put in a Voltaic Construct it infinite colorless mana combos with Metalworker.

June 4, 2015 3:21 p.m.

brokendwarf says... #6

an_R_key: you did read Mishra correctly didn't you? He searches for the card and PUTS IT INTO PLAY. You aren't casting anything. How can your opponent respond with a Counterspell if it wasn't cast?

June 4, 2015 7:45 p.m.

anRkey says... #7

brokendwarf The only way Mishra's ability triggers and gets put on the stack is when you cast an artifact card. I was responding to a point made by the deck creator, and I tried to explain how an opponent could get around the trigger by timing his/her counters correctly.

To try and repost my point:

  1. You as the player CAST an artifact card, say Batterskull, Mishra triggers.

  2. Opponent holds Counterspell in hand and waits for Mishra's trigger to resolve - You as the player fail to find a second copy of Batterskull (since you're only allowed to have one in the deck).

  3. With Batterskull still on the stack, opponent counters it with Counterspell.

I still love Mishra and was merely trying to point out something to the deck creator because of a comment he made in the description.

June 4, 2015 7:59 p.m.

brokendwarf says... #8

an_R_key: I'm the deck creator. Yes, I understand your opponent can just wait for Mishra to resolve and then they counter it. It's not easy writing a primer and remembering to include everything. The point of the deck is you should already have enchantments set up to counter everything: your opponent's spells, and your artifacts that you get anyway.

June 4, 2015 8:22 p.m.

anRkey says... #9

I understand that. I love this deck. I apologize if you thought I was attacking your deck or something - quite the contrary. I just didn't want you to have a false impression of being immune to countermagic from your opponents, is all. I was merely trying to offer some assistance in bringing something to your attention if it wasn't already.

Also, you must be psyched about the rules change avoiding tucking generals given your Mishra-centric build.

June 4, 2015 9:22 p.m.

miracleHat says... #10

I am slightly surprised that there is not a Magus of the Future. I feel as though redundancy is needed for a combo deck like this where the combo's are convoluted. I am not entirely sure what I would drop, though I question the inclusion of Cranial Plating. This wins off of combo's, and isn't strictly speaking an aggro/voltron deck.

also, Voltaic Key has to add some other combos as well...

June 7, 2015 3:41 p.m. Edited.

klone13 says... #11

Null Brooch:

I think it good in the aspect that you can counter anything with it and it is an artifact. but it might be too taxing.

October 22, 2015 7:39 a.m.

DVLuca says... #12

Hi brokendwarf, nice build, I see its a realy good deck despite I dont understand the real potential and that intrigues me!! I think you already know Cloud Key, is something like Blood Funnel, and Executioner's Capsule and Ghirapur AEther Grid for removal, but Etherium-Horn Sorcerer, if you have not tried it, can do interesting think there, it doesnt cast only 12 cards in the deck and it can be recasted. Let me know what you think. +1 From me!!

July 9, 2016 3:46 a.m.

Ifeno says... #13

I don't quite understand why Mishra makes your artifacts uncounterable. Could your opponent not wait for Mishra's ability to resolve before countering the artifact? Or can you place the artifact cast on top of the stack causing it resolve ahead of Mishra?

May 9, 2017 8:07 p.m.

miracleHat says... #14

By the time mishra's ability activates, the spell is already cast and henceforth cannot be countered.

May 9, 2017 9:06 p.m.

Darkglaive50 says... #15

@miracleHat the Mishra ability triggers while the spell is on the stack, as oracle text specifies plays as cast, if a spell is countered it is still counted as cast but not resolved. Same ruling set as prowess.

May 10, 2017 8:40 p.m.

brokendwarf says... #16

Ifeno: there's no opportunity to counter it. They'd have to Stifle Mishra's ability. It basically goes 1 of 2 ways:

  1. Cast said artifact, Mishra trigger, artifact isn't countered, comes in anyway. Mishra ability fails to find.
  2. Cast said artifact, Mishra trigger, artifact is countered, going to graveyard. Mishra ability resolve, putting artifact onto the battlefield. Nothing is being cast.
May 10, 2017 10:34 p.m.

SheenDinner says... #17

Where am I wrong here? I cast Sol Ring...

Stack:

  1. Mishra Trigger
  2. Sol Ring

I pass priority. Opponent passes priority. Mishra trigger resolves.

Stack:

  1. Sol Ring

I pass priority. Opponent casts Counterspell targeting Sol Ring.

Stack:

  1. Counterspell
  2. Sol Ring

Opponent passes priority. I pass priority. Counterspell resolves.

Stack: Empty

May 23, 2017 4:51 p.m.

KitsuLeif says... #18

@SheenDinner

You aren't wrong. This is exactly how it works. Just wait for Mishra's trigger to resolve and counter the artifact spell after that.

Only when Possibility Storm is on the board, things get complicated:

Artifact is cast, Mishra and PStorm both trigger (when the Mishra player is smart - and I will act on the assumption he is - he puts the PStorm trigger over Mishra's to exile the artifact first before he searches the zones for an artifact with the same name).So:

If you want to counter both spells, good luck with that.

You have to counter the first spell before it gets exiled but have to use a counterspell that exiles the artifact, too. And you have to be lucky with that because you could always get something completely random out of PStorm. Then, after the second spell from PStorm is cast you have to wait for Mishra's ability to rseolve, before you counter the spell, else the Mishra player will get it back to play. And again you have to be lucky because of PStorm...

May 26, 2017 11:39 a.m.

Exsus says... #19

can't your opponet just wait for the ability to resolve before countering or does the ability resolve after the spell?

June 30, 2018 5:12 a.m.

brokendwarf says... #20

@Exsus - Yes, if they're smart enough to do that. That question has been debated already so I'd prefer to not get into it again. I just didn't update the primer section about it.

June 30, 2018 7:28 p.m.

wc00k44 says... #21

does staff of domination have a combo in here or is it just a good card alone?

February 12, 2020 8:28 a.m.

wc00k44 says... #22

also if ur opponent is able to wait for the ability to resolve eventually they would realize that they can counter ur artifacts...

February 12, 2020 8:32 a.m.

ShangGang69 says... #23

wc00k44 - you are correct but if you have things like Nether Void or Blood Funnel out in play when casting artifacts, then they are uncounterable

May 27, 2020 10 p.m.

Hblue says... #24

Nice list! Would you say the deck is still worth playing without Nether Void & Chalice of the Void or does it lose too much power?

September 13, 2020 9:37 p.m.

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