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Honestly, that was really unnecessary and uncalled for rudeness towards a deck and player. This is one of my favorite decks on the entire website and it's more creative and unique than anything Kiyomei has ever put out, so it bothers me to see it trashed on in such a dismissive and thoughtless manner. This person is objectively wrong in all of their claims.
January 22, 2019 7:23 p.m.
I say go for it. You have a chance to acquire some cool staple cards, regardless of whatever format you normally play (unless you're exclusive to Standard of course). Dark Ascension wasn't a bad set at all and you can get a lot of interesting cards to expand your collection. On top of that, the set is in Japanese which would be a no brainer for me at least because I personally collect as many Japanese prints as I can.
If they are going for normal booster prices, scoop them up quick. Let me know how your pulls go, I'm looking forward to hearing back about it! Best of luck to you!
January 21, 2019 8:32 p.m.
The only mention of wish cards in official rules I've found is:
Abilities which refer to other cards owned outside the game (Wishes, Spawnsire, Research, Ring of Ma'ruf) do not function in Commander without prior agreement on their scope from the playgroup.
It does require a mature conversation with your playgroup to come to an agreement of the function of these cards, as stated in the official rules. I suppose a judge may not allow them in a sanctioned competitive event, but I can say that they are allowed in my playgroups at my LGS, a club on campus, and with my friends where I play semi-competitively and they haven't been an issue at all so far. It doesn't feel at all like an unfair advantage to me, but rather it allows for some interesting answers and plays to be had. I don't quite understand what you find gamebreaking about their use in a cEDH environment either, so I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on that claim a bit.
Regardless, the rules clearly state that these cards do not function unless your playgroup agrees how wish cards can be incorporated (which spawned the common practice of the 10-card sideboard in EDH). Both sides are correct to an extent.
The source of the rule can be found here. Rule #13 under the "Play" section of the rules.
EDIT: I know I came into this conversation late, so I admittedly looked at the more recent comments and not the earlier ones where this rule was already quoted haha whoops.
January 21, 2019 12:40 p.m.
Kiyomei Traditionally, you are correct. However, a 10-card sideboard is a very common alternate house rule if your playgroup allows it.
January 20, 2019 10:54 a.m.
IMMG54 thank you! I'm having a lot of fun with it so far. Just to clarify though, I am saying that it is budgeted in the sense that I am not running a full fledged cEDH list, so I have cut Timetwister as well as the OG duals which chops the price down a lot from what it would be otherwise. Thanks again for looking at the list. I really appreciate the praise and feedback!
January 18, 2019 11:06 a.m.
I'm trying to make amends here, lol someone help me out. This person has been incredibly rude and even yeaGO told them to stop before because they continued to goad and prod at someone in discussion. All they're doing is burning more bridges here and I'm extremely offended by this last remark of theirs. I'm done here. I have nothing more to say I guess, so I think I'm taking the rest of the night off from this site.
January 17, 2019 3:39 p.m.
crstisalie that's very hypocritical of you to say considering that you called me an elitist and said I suffered from cognitive dissonance. Those are prime examples of personal attacks. You're guilty of it too, so please don't go pointing fingers.
I acknowledge that I personally condescended you, and for that I would like to apologize. I never once outright called you names, but I am sorry if I offended you in any way. I just get a little worked up sometimes, especially after seeing you just post a decklist and no actual support besides that to go off of. I took that as dismissiveness and I hope you can now somewhat understand why I reacted the way I did because I quite simply wanted more content than a list I was already familiar with. I think we just need to move on and move forward from all the bad things and negativity that was rampant in this discussion. I'm honestly glad Soren841 is back because it didn't feel right without him for some reason haha.
January 17, 2019 3:22 p.m.
I'm not sure what to tell you buddy. If you're in a creature heavy meta, Paradox Engine and Isochron Scepter exiling Reality Shift can be your best friend. Creatures on the board enable it, and if you're mana neutral from rocks, you can just chain it off of the manifested creature and exile everyones' libraries. Copy Artifact can go infinite as well on Scepter if you don't have engine out either, but you would need to have Dramatic Reversal exiled with either to do so, and you can combo off of really any spell effectively with it, for example you can cast Lightning Bolt infinitely if you choose this package. The deck is so modular that you can have multiple ways to win anywhere in the deck. Infinite combo is the way to go in this type of stax deck. You're not gonna pull off the consistency you'd want if you were to do anything else.
January 17, 2019 3:06 p.m.
Keranos Blue Moon is an extremely viable deck and fulfills a weird niche in the cEDH metagame. It can be a combo player's worst nightmare, especially if they're in multiple colors and run Hermit Druid without any basic lands in the deck such as Sidisi, Brood Tyrant for example. However, mono-color decks like Teferi, Temporal Archmage and Yisan, the Wanderer Bard will be largely unaffected.
My advice is to keep your meta in mind, and try to get a feel for if it will perform well in your playgroup. I was going to make a deck built around this concept as well, but backed out because I realized that a lot of decks in my meta are resilient to the type of hate Keranos packs. Best of luck to you though! Hope this helps!
January 17, 2019 10:44 a.m.
I'm afraid they might ban your Chains and Liliana in that deck, but overall yeah that looks pretty nice for a first draft. I can make thorough suggestions in a bit once I finish up a couple assignments.
January 16, 2019 8:57 p.m.
Well I think the problem is that the judge can see him get around their banlist, see him win, and say nope we can't have that. Banned.
You're going to waste a lot of money buying into their game. I don't like how they can just flat out ban whatever they don't want to see in their meta. Not really fair in my opinion.
January 16, 2019 8:29 p.m.
I want to help you brew a lower power level deck for your LGS too. I was gonna brew Keranos Blue Moon for myself, but then I realized it wouldn't be very effective at stopping the prominence of mono-colored lists in my meta.
January 16, 2019 7:41 p.m.
Yeah that sounds like BS to me. I think they're going about it all wrong. I hope you weren't pubstomping though, otherwise I'd have to pat you on the nose with a rolled newspaper and scold you a little bit. A 95% win rate sounds nuts, so it sounds like you may have been above their power level. However, I am glad you're getting a group together for cEDH.
January 16, 2019 7:39 p.m.
ChibiNature I will agree with you that Aurelia is comparable with Godo, but the big difference to me where Aurelia falls short in is that Godo tutors on ETB and may win on the spot if there's no interaction. Aurelia relies on outside pieces to find Helm, and as a result, has to implement a more diverse toolbox and run more combos within the deck to become more modular. Godo is more compact in this regard, but I'm not necessarily throwing your advocacy for Aurelia out the window.
I'm not entirely sure where I stand, because Godo feels inherently better in my opinion, but it is incredibly predictable and it doesn't involve much interaction to interrupt the combo. However, I am an advocate that any well-tuned deck can fit the context of tier 3 at the very least. I need to hear more thoughts on this, but I will say that I am in favor of this motion.
January 16, 2019 7:24 p.m.
Defining and establishing metas are really important, but you can't just put limits on cEDH players who want to play competitively using their really good cards that they spent a lot of money on. Idk that's wild that a LGS wants to implement that sort of rule. I don't want to recommend dividing the playgroup, but rather split it into two metas where you have nights dedicated to cEDH, and others are dedicated to casual play. That seems like a no brainer for a LGS to implement that, so maybe try to pass that suggestion by them.
January 16, 2019 4:17 p.m.
Perhaps you need to suggest defining two different metas for players who want to play casually, and those who want to play competitively. That's not fair to you that they're giving you a crutch and not allowing you to play specific types of cards in your usual playgroup. I tend to flip back and forth between a casual meta and a semi-competitive one, and it's fine as long as you keep the power level of your meta in mind when you play a specific deck. Still though, it may be fun to explore this meta shift a bit and try it out because I've found it to be a lot of fun and more rewarding to win with a deck with lower consistency, definite imperfections, and less inherent power than optimal ones because the payoff is huge.
January 16, 2019 2:25 p.m.
January 16, 2019 11:08 a.m.
What are they considering to be a 60-75% meta? Are they banning certain cards? I hope they aren't going by the competitive meter on here or anything of that sort. That ain't accurate lol.
January 16, 2019 10:38 a.m.
Also tw0handt0uch, with all do respect, I don't think Ishai warrants a slot in competitive for having synergies with Reyhan in a Food Chain list. I understand that you weren't advocating for a placement, but tier 2 seems a little high to me. Especially since Reyhan is in tier 3 as well, and Ishai isn't directly involved in any of the combos you listed. It appears to me as if Ishai is more of a backup or compliment to your game plan in the deck. Would a drop to tier 3 be fair? It's still a really cool deck and I like the synergies the commanders have with one another, but it doesn't strike me as tier 2 material when compared to the rest listed as competitive. It has lots of potential though.
January 16, 2019 8:45 a.m.
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