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Politics in competitive play is more about bluffing than anything else. Everything that is on the table is (hopefully) judged correctly by everyone and the only aspect of the game that you can haggle about is unknown information.

October 16, 2018 4:51 a.m.

SRJ26 the point of this list (as I have understood it so far) is to give an objective framework for judging power Levels in a format that has little tournament data available. While choosing the example builds for the given commanders is still rather subjective imo, it's important to have this frame of reverence available for people who have no idea where their local meta decks are in comparison to an assumed global meta.

That's where proxies become relevant: in playgroups that have established restricted proxy use, decks might have their power level capped by budget and some archetypes might even perform really bad compared to their budgetless versions. I could imagine that a budgeted storm deck would perform worse than a budgeted Gitrog Monster or Blood Pod...and this list here promotes trying the decks as they should be built in order to get a feeling for the actual power. To do that, proxies are a must for many players, especially newer players with smaller card pools and this fact is positively addressed with the sentence "Even if you can't afford some of the high-end cards that see frequent play in cEDH, proxying those to bring your deck to full power is a very good thing to do."

October 15, 2018 7:56 a.m.

Looks like I forgot it in the list

October 13, 2018 3:32 p.m.

The new categories make a lot more sense than numeric tiers with even 0.5 steps. Would be nice to see more example builds listed for the top commanders because agreeing on only one will always be a very subjective decision and constantly double checking if a list is still kept up to date by the owner is a hard task (in the previous list a lot of example decks had already been abandoned by their creators and it was sometimes heavily discussed if they were actually the "best" builds)

October 11, 2018 3:21 p.m.

let's hope the input of the past months here has been considered and it won't end up being a subjective selection

October 11, 2018 4:35 a.m.

TzickyT I think it's a great card because you can jam it on curve and activate it for colorless mana when needed. For example to blow up a Magus of the Moon, which is pretty hard to get rid of otherwise. Also removes Torpor Orb, Laboratory Maniac, The Chain Veil, Grafdigger's Cage,...I like it because you don't need to keep certain coloured mana open for interaction but just play it when it's easily possible and let it stick around for when it's needed. Until then it's also a warrior for token production and Mindblade Render. Being a creature makes it easier to find (Pod, survival...) and it is also fodder for Pod. The cut was Fire Covenant for now because I rarely needed to remove more than one creature and the 3 mana were hard to keep open for instant speed reactions.

Summoner's Pact is interesting but it's also risky because you have to win in that turn and if you go for it on turn 2 or 3 you can get blown out when your win con is stopped or just delayed for a turn. It could go in the deck but I would have to find something to cut for it (maybe Tymna because it's a reduction in cmc and a swap between slow draw and fast tutor). Targets for pact could be Hulk and also Derevi but for now I rather use Eldritch Evolution as an additional tutor. As it is, the deck has a really strong mid and late game because it doesn't go all in with the fast kill atempts. If something gets countered or destroyed, there's usually a way to go for another kill attempt in the following 1-2 turns without having to worry about getting killed by my own setup...playing pact would work but you have to be aware that it's a one way ticket in the early game.

October 10, 2018 8:04 a.m.

chaosumbreon87 that's what I would make sense to use tags like "storm" and then list the possible commanders with example builds and sort them by assumed strength. That would place for example Kess higher than Baral or JVP in that section but it would make it clear which commanders are best in which gameplan.This would make it easier for people to find possible commanders for what they want to play and to choose the best one for that strategy. People could also intentionally go for worse choices then, for example if their meta wouldn't be able to deal with the best build.

October 10, 2018 4:35 a.m.

Architas I've left a comment on your deck. I'd like to post this recently finished primer:

Najeela's Hulk Pod Project (Primer)

Commander / EDH Winterblast

SCORE: 101 | 89 COMMENTS | 17240 VIEWS | IN 44 FOLDERS

Currently thinking about adding Eldritch Evolution

October 9, 2018 10:28 a.m.

I can't find the best copy effect here: Copy Artifact

Sculpting Steel might also be worth including. I would make some hard cuts among the top cmc cards and add at least signets and Talisman for ramp, better would be 0 drop rocks as well obviously. I could see Phyrexian Revoker work well here, maybe Lodestone Golem too. Tezzeret the Seeker and Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas would do more work in the deck than Karn imo. You might also want to look at Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast instead of some ridiculously expensive removal engines like ethersworn adjudicator...

October 9, 2018 10:25 a.m.

Said on Workshop Party...


JackBattle yes, I see the list isn't like I play it in paper at the moment. I definitely don't have power artifact and metalworker/staff anymore and I play the normal Earthquake in addition to rolling. Also Hellkite Tyrant because my meta is 90% nongreen and as a result very artifact heavy. Also running Expropriate as a win con now. I didn't like the actual combos in the deck because UR isn't really good at searching particular things and just playing individually strong stax pieces and one card win cons have worked better for me.

I have to update the list with the deck next to the computer because I don't remember all the differences correctly.

October 9, 2018 7:54 a.m.

DangoDaikazoku do you think a tappedout deck is the best way to organise this? The tags to sort cards in a decklist are pretty limited...but one aspect that might make it more interesting is that you can use multiple tags for the cards

October 8, 2018 4:29 a.m.

MasN I'd say that's one of the flaws of the list as it is. Imo the similar strategies that don't really use their commander could be summed up and ranked according to how much the chosen commander can possibly help the deck. Then you'd have for example "mono U storm" and possible commanders might be Baral, JVP, Azami, Kefnet...and then you rank them according to who does the job best. I don't know if Progenitus could actually be used more than Karona but I guess them being ranked differently is just a result of the list not being updated and a lack of interest in the lower tiers and "placeholder" commanders. I mean who actually looks up a Progenitus decklist for competitive play? And which casual player would want to build the best possible Progenitus deck, which then doesn't use him at all?

October 2, 2018 4:42 a.m.

allanrichardo the example build for Ramos is actually can find it in the list above or here: Najeela's Hulk Pod Project (Primer)

Unfortunately the list isn't updated anymore by the people who are able to edit it, at least the last update was pre-battlebond.

WhatevWorks storm is just one viable competitive strategy and it happens to be a very good way of building a deck in cEDH. This is why a lot of the top decks are storm decks and why example builds for lower Tier commanders sometimes happen to be storm rather than a strategy that would "fit" the commander...because a storm build that doesn't use the commander is usually still better than a fitting strategy that is for example just aggro. As for Ramos storm, it would probably be a worse Yidris because the commander doesn't offer Card Advantage but sort of ramp. But as a storm deck, when you can invest 6 mana into playing Ramos, you should be able to just win instead. It would mostly be 5c storm without using the commander and therefore not as good as other possible options in which the commander at least helps the gameplan a little bit.

October 1, 2018 9:18 a.m.


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SCORE: 106 | 92 COMMENTS | 17977 VIEWS | IN 46 FOLDERS

Workshop Party

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