The Search For Gilgamesh
Modern Deck Help forum
Posted on April 6, 2016, 9:28 p.m. by landcaster
Gilgamesh was a great king of old in Mesopotamia. It was said that he had super human strength, and lived an unnaturally long life.
Now what does this have to do with Magic you might ask. Well I am tired of seeing the same couple tier 1 decks; I want to see if it is possible to shake up the entire metagame (or find a new tier one deck).
I know this is a rather difficult task for any one person, but if we combine the ideas of many different people then this endeavor will become much more efficient and produce a much more refined deck. I propose that as a community we should try to brew a new type of tier one modern deck that possesses such power that it would wreck most other modern decks.
i like the idea. i have made a few decks. 4 color midrange, where u get hero of bladehold, siege rhino, ajani vengeant, bolt helix and liliana veil. Affinity control is where you use the fast affinity start for a t2 tezzeret the seeker, and make a softlock with ensnaring bridge. u win the game with the sword of the meek combo. Another way of playing that deck is using clues, tamayo's journal and briarbridge patrol cheat out emrakul. Dredge delve draw is another one of my decks. Dredge says whenever you draw, so you can activate it many times per turn. remand triggers it, jace vp triggers it, ancestral visions triggers it a lot, think twice triggers it again, and so on and so on. u can discard grave troll with lotleth troll. bloodghast and vengevine close up the game fast, along jace and assorted large delve creatures.
April 6, 2016 9:52 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #5
I would like to see this too. I don't like seeing certain expensive cards like snappy as the "only way to build modern right".
April 6, 2016 10:54 p.m.
landcaster says... #6
Car, I like the deck ideas (especially the clue one), but I was thinking that it would be more fun and maybe slightly more effective to use less mainstream cards like sword of the meek and dredge. This would possible force a change in how people build sideboards to possibly deal with it. Now that I think of it, this might be akin to searching for a Grail; lol anime references
April 6, 2016 10:55 p.m.
landcaster says... #7
What if it's win condition was... now hear me out... Shivan Dragon...Not really, but doing something like that in a hyper competitive format would be hilarious (I've done it once in legacy, best game I've ever played). Anyway I think having some unheard of off the wall win condition, or combo is harder to combat.
April 6, 2016 11:02 p.m.
Ghostkitten2 says... #8
Personally, I have always fealt that there is untapped (lol) potential in a combo of Immortal Coil+Bazaar Trader
April 6, 2016 11:33 p.m.
landcaster says... #10
What about cards like Perilous Myr, and Infectious Host working with Blood Artist, and Zulaport Cutthroat using some sort of sacrifice outlet to draw cards or produce mana?
April 7, 2016 6:37 a.m.
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast says... #11
Great idea! :) check this out brUna voltRon Wins, you might like the idea ahah
April 7, 2016 9:37 a.m.
Hell yeah! I'm totally on board. I have 500 or so decks on this website and I'd guess 60% or more are modern brews, if you want to check them out. Some of my recent ideas are RG bogles, Esper Enduring Ideal (Conley woods adaptation), Quest for Ula's temple, Scarecrow Combo, Scepter Burn, etc. Ill post links if you're interested. Always open to suggestions!
April 7, 2016 1:01 p.m.
landcaster says... #13
That is a lot of decks, do you think any of them might be able to flatten most of the tier one decks?
April 7, 2016 1:56 p.m.
landcaster says... #15
Sir, I think you don't quite understand what I am trying to do. I know building decks is easy, but not all decks are of equal speed and consistency. What I am trying to do is collaborat with this brilliant community in an attempt to find an alternative strategy for modern that has a level of speed and consistency that is on par with the main couple decks that are used in the modern metagame. You might be right that there is no such deck, but if it does exist then it would require the culmination of many minds to find and hone it to a flawless product. I'm not quite sure what your experience is with this community, but in mine they have done nothing but help. They have come up with some fantastic ideas to start with such as the Bazaar Trader + Immortal Coil combo; It shows some promise if it was coupled with other cards like Demonic Pact or phage. In addition to this, some people are not necessarily the biggest fans of the current modern metagame. I know for a fact that I alone cannot create this type of deck unless I have a sudden revelation, which is not likely; due to this I have turned to a group of people who possess different knowledge, and may be more skilled than I, therefore if we can work together then we might be able to pull it off.
April 7, 2016 5:02 p.m.
FAERIE NINJAS!!! They seem to be becoming more and more popular and I personally love them, but I've wanted to look into 
control reanimated dredge with Geralf's Masterpiece sounds fun, let's bring back some mono aggro? Maybe tempo? People now only use blue for counter magic and draw :-( we need more blue power!!
April 8, 2016 1:35 a.m.
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast says... #17
wolfboy if you want blue power, I have a great build. I'm not sure if I'm willing to throw it out there cuz it's not optimal yet, but it's still great to me.
Or you can still go Fish :D (more 
than blue but still has everywhere ahah)
April 8, 2016 7:53 a.m.
landcaster says... #18
I like those ideas! Maybe there might be potential in there. A bunch of counter magic, some disruption, a few Frost Walkers and a couple of Skaab Ruinators. Oh! Maybe there also might be potential in some type of eggs deck, and by eggs I mean Summoner's Egg...
April 8, 2016 2:10 p.m.
Gepetto is just really full of himself. He types the same "deep" comments on every post I see him on. Anyway, I've been a little busy and totally forgot to link some of my decks. Love interaction? Me neither is RG bogles. It's crazy fast and consistent. While it doesn't have the lifegain and spirit mantle of WG, I'm of the opinion that it more than makes up for it in speed. I'm not really sure if Monoblue Quest is good, but it's definitely not optimized and it could be better. Scepter Burn is like a slower, more attrition-based burn deck. While isochron normally folds to cards like abrupt decay, Boros charm solves that issue very easily. Those are some of the best decks I've been testing so far.
April 8, 2016 3:32 p.m.
landcaster says... #20
Maybe you could add Paradox Haze to the monoblue quest deck for more questing
April 8, 2016 7:49 p.m.
Good one Gepetto. Also I've been here longer than you, if you actually read through the thread. I do agree that professionals are professionals for a reason, but modern is a really big format that hasn't been around for that long. Remember brews like living end, or lantern control? Those were not piloted by "pros" and were just great decks that ended up winning. There are so many cards that have yet to be explored in modern. I don't see why just because on of the few "professionals" hasn't played it. While there are certain archetypes in which a deck like pod, twin, affinity, or tron are clearly the best deck, there are still a very large amount of areas in modern that aren't solved. Maybe there's a really good deck out there that people have missed. In fact, I highly doubt there isn't. If you want to complain about the cost of the barrier to entry then I can't stop you, but magic is an investment where your cards don't really get old (besides bannings). What would you say is a better version of Lantern Control that is a tier one deck? And if there isn't one, then how can you say that tier one is solved? Is GW bogles strictly better than RG bogles? I don't think so. You can say that a quest for ula's temple deck is bad, but you can't say "why not just play affinity?". Isochron Burn has a very clear advantage over regular burn in matchups where card advantage matters, or in a burn mirror. Sure, pre-banning splinter twin was the best UR deck, but even then blue moon was a successful strategy. A lot of people suggest bad decks in the same colors as another successful deck in the format, like a UR control without splinter twin, or affinity without opal. Maybe they'll suggest monogreen pump, and we'll ask why you'd play that and not infect. When I evaluate a deck, I like to think "what makes this deck able to compete within the metagame?" What unique angle does the deck attack from, what is the powerful strategy I'm employing, etc. One of those questions, if you're looking to build a competitive deck, is "how does this deck compare to and compete with other tier one strategies?" There will always be best cards and decks! I don't understand how that could possibly be a problem to complain about. If you want to play removal in your deck and you are playing monowhite, path to exile is the card you should be playing. That's not sad, that's just how things both inside and outside of magic work. There is always a best. Yes, you do need to pay money to buy yourself into this hobby, just like literally any other hobby. Sure, it's more expensive, but, as I've stated earlier, your magic cards never go flat, nor do they run out of battery, and their strings don't break.
April 9, 2016 10:59 a.m.
lolwut? I guess I don't have to respond. Anyway, sorry about that Lancaster. Paradox haze would be awesome, but unfortunately the second ability triggers on end step, so you'd only double triggers. It would be great if it didn't though. I'm actually really liking Bruna control as UWr midrange. I think we could really trim down on enchantments though. Is probably just run 2-3 eldrazi conscription and 0-2 double-strike auras. You play Bruna really late game, fight all the removal that's left over after them dealing with finks, Geist, etc, and then win. It seems like it wouldn't take too much effort to jam 3 Bruna and 3 auras into the deck.
April 9, 2016 5:23 p.m.
landcaster says... #23
Ok, gepetto, would be be so kind as to (pardon my language) CALM THE GOD DAM CALAMITY THAT IS YOUR MAMMARIES. If you claim that you have to pay to win then you are very much mistaken. I don't know about modern, but I play legacy quite a lot using a weird ass budget reanimator type deck with an alternate win con using Shivan Dragon, and it works. In addition to this mislead belief of yours, You haven't thought your solution through at all. All of my friend I play magic with (except for one) play casually with weird and gimmicky decks, and they haven't played competitively in a constructed format; if we did try we would probably build some weird ass gw deck that only has basic mountains for the land base. Lastly Murpy is a genius (with a few adjustments it might be possible to align the hedrons) and just because someone has been on the Internet for a lesser amount of time does not imply that they are less skilled or wrong. How do you think all the tire one decks came about? They were originally rouge decks that were brewed. There is no reason why we can't make one. All I ask gepeddo is that you either (again pardon my language) shut the f*ck up, or stop being a nuisance.
April 9, 2016 6:28 p.m.
Thanks, although I wouldn't call myself a genius at all. Hedron Alignment needs a lot of work, and even then I don't think it's gonna be great. But hey, why not try? A post I liked a lot and I think relates to this post is "my modern deck lost to a standard deck" by chiefbell. Even if a deck seems like it's not powerful enough for a format, it can attack from a unique enough angle to do well, for one tournament or a lot. I'd search it if you haven't seen it already. Building a deck around the weak spots of a metagame is a really viable strategy. For instance, if eldrazi is still a problem in this new modern, I see a Gaddock Teeg Kataki, War's Wage hatebears deck just waiting to be played. In fact, I'm gonna go work on that right now.
April 9, 2016 6:48 p.m.
landcaster says... #25
I saw that post too. For the hedrons if you add white for some tutors, path to exiles, and ways to bring it back from the grave... Maybe Tragic Poet?
April 9, 2016 6:57 p.m.
landcaster says... #26
For all the creature based decks maybe we could do Sunscour?
April 9, 2016 6:59 p.m.
I quite like that idea. I was thinking green for things like regrow th, but white seems a lot better. What I like is that alignment isn't a card you want to thoughtseize or counter, but also isn't a card you want to stay in your opponent's hand. I almost want to put pull from eternity in, but I'm wondering if that's too cute. I'd also be interested in a 4-color version with entomb, abrupt decay, swords to plowshares, etc. I'd hate to hijack your thread a second time though. If you want to continue this discussion, why don't we move over to the decklist itself?
It's gonna f*cking work
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I also noticed gepetto has disappeared from the site. Strange...
April 9, 2016 10:38 p.m.
landcaster says... #29
That is odd... We can continue that conversation there. Anyway back to modern, I think the gaddok teeg idea has a lot of potential. How does Aura of Silence sound in that deck?
April 9, 2016 11:41 p.m.
Seems like an awesome sideboard option! I've been looking for ways to play traverse the ulvenwald, and this seems like the perfect deck for it! So far the idea is that you can play a very grindy, midrange-y game like abzan CoCo, but by giving up the combo kill we get to play more of a hatebears type of deck. I'm not sure if it's just a worse abzan CoCo or not, but I'm excited to test it nonetheless. Maybe aether vial isn't needed and the deck would be better as a new take on abzan CoCo. I like my sideboard so far, but I'm not sure about it.
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April 10, 2016 12:30 a.m.
landcaster says... #31
That is similar to what I came up with, I think it might just work
Tanker12 says... #2
I like you a lot!
April 6, 2016 9:49 p.m.