Am I ready got Game Day?
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Posted on Oct. 16, 2014, 8:35 p.m. by Portoman
I don't want criticism, just want reassurance that the deck will function well, as in a yes, it looks okay for playing against Jeskai Fireworks and fukken ABZAN AGGRO. Temur Monster Mash
TurboFagoot That's now what I meant, but by looking at your name, you don't want your opinion to matter in the first place.
October 16, 2014 8:46 p.m.
Best comment thread in this site lol. On a side note, the deck seems decent.
October 16, 2014 8:57 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #5
Then what did you mean? Your deck has powerful cards, sure, but it's got a lot of strange inconsistencies that mean you're going to have a tough time against tier 1 decks in a competitive environment.
But wait, you don't want criticism. Let me rephrase that. "yes, it looks okay for playing against Jeskai Fireworks and fukken ABZAN AGGRO"
TurboFagoot Is an actively contributing member of this community, and if you don't want feedback, why are you even posting this?
October 16, 2014 8:58 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #6
Summoning fluffybunnypants this thread could get hilarious
October 16, 2014 9:05 p.m.
EndStepTop says... #7
Its in temur colors and the "monster" archetype. Go got that game day!
October 16, 2014 9:09 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #8
Reading is tech. The forum descriptions all say in big caps "NO DECKLISTS." Moved.
October 16, 2014 9:09 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #9
A little tip though, if you feel like you're not ready, you'll psyche yourself out of being ready
October 16, 2014 9:11 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #10
Your ramp is solid. Removal/control descent. Land base functional, though tapped lands aren't great for tournaments (I say this though I run some in my Mardu deck until I acquire pains and fetches). The bombs confuse me, though I do like a few of them. Xenagos is better for monster decks of you have them. I think the deck will function, the better question is will you have fun playing it. In the end your enjoyment is what matters.
October 16, 2014 9:20 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy I worded it very poorly, as I was rushing the thread, and I even put it in the wrong forum. Despite that and the infinite amount of typos I made, criticism is welcome, but it's kind of a dick move to give a response like I got in the beginning. The inconsistencies are there because I realized through play-testing that I didn't want so many of the same card in hand at a time. EX: Prognostic Sphinx , or Prophet of Kruphix . Other than that though I recognized no "strange" inconsistencies, and I already have taken it to my local FNM, and I got in the Top 8 where they all were playing Tier 1 decks. Also, I apologize Epochalyptik, mistakes were made in where this thread was placed.
October 16, 2014 9:27 p.m.
Jonathannoob I already recognize that I need Xenagos, the Reveler , I just don't have the cash on me at the moment to run out and purchase two copies, and I already had the two Kiora, the Crashing Wave copies. Running them seemed okay for cards like Goblin Rabblemaster .
October 16, 2014 9:31 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #13
@Portoman Alright, I getcha. No harm, no foul, or whatever. The big strange inconsistency I'm referring to is actually the one Prognostic Sphinx . He's good, sure, but IMO only in control decks that lack better finishers. Stormbreath Dragon just seems better in a midrange deck that's trying to resolve big beefy dudes and close games quickly.
Also, I read the description, but I'll be that guy and say it anyway; Sylvan Caryatid and Courser of Kruphix are just the best options around for green decks. With that being said, though, don't worry too much if you can't pull cards like those together. Game Day isn't a highly competitive environment, it's pretty much an FNM. As VampireArmy said, at this point, if you're comfortable piloting your deck and confident in the 75 for your LGS, then the biggest thing is not psyching yourself out of being ready.
October 16, 2014 9:43 p.m.
Thanks, although the deck was trying to be Midrange, I just got greedy with beefy creatures, which is why I run the 2 of Stormbreath Dragon . I can't scrap around Sylvan Caryatid because they cost more than most cards in the format, as well as Courser of Kruphix . I never said that they weren't the best options, I just said I can't run them, which is why I chose Rattleclaw Mystic and Elvish Mystic instead. I ran the one Prognostic Sphinx for the games that get slowed down and I need to draw another threat, I can dig through the deck to one, such as the Stormbreath Dragon , or the Polukranos, World Eater .
October 16, 2014 9:47 p.m.
It doesn't look very good but that's not what you want to hear so pretend you didn't read this comment
October 16, 2014 9:49 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #16
Have you considered Twinflame ? Paying two for bombs to finish opponents seems good.
October 16, 2014 9:50 p.m.
xlaleclx Little late, and judging by the fact that you mostly make modern decks, you aren't one to judge, as you don't know or are very aware of the standard meta. You also copied what the original comment said, so I'm just going to dismiss it as sarcasm.
October 16, 2014 9:51 p.m.
Jonathannoob Twinflame is an okay card, but what I have in as spells can't be replaced, as they are required at my LGS, so unfortunately I have the room. I need Lightning Strike for Mantis Rider , or Goblin Rabblemaster . I need Temur Charm because believe it or not, one of my friends made Espur Control stable, and it's really annoying. So I have to run the copies of Temur Charm as Mana Leaks. But I would think about it if I had the room.
October 16, 2014 9:53 p.m.
CrazyLittleGuy says... #19
If you're using Prognostic Sphinx to dig for another threat, wouldn't it just make more sense to have it be that threat? At least, that's usually been my deck building philosophy for Monsters style decks lately. Especially in this Standard where every control(ish) deck is just trying to one-for-one you until it can find a source of card advantage or wincon, having a high density of threats puts a world of strain and pressure on their resources. Also, running it might even hurt you, since Prognostic Sphinx isn't actually true card advantage, just roundabout advantage through filtering.
October 16, 2014 10:04 p.m.
The deck is quite bloated in the 5 drop slot.
I especially would advice against something like Prophet of Kruphix for you list. It's fine to go all in with a card like that, but you need to build the whole deck around it. Just trying to throw it in for value is pretty bad in an otherwise normal ramp deck. The whole point is to land a big threat that stabilizes the board. Prophet of Kruphix dies to basically all the 2 mana removal and doesn't present a big enough threat against more controlling lists. That's really not the kind of card you're looking for to ramp into. So I would start with cutting those two for any solid 3 or 4 drop.
I already had the two Kiora, the Crashing Wave copies. Running them seemed okay for cards like Goblin Rabblemaster .
Not saying you should cut Kiora, the Crashing Wave
, but just to point out that Kiora, the Crashing Wave
is really soft against Goblin Rabblemaster
. On an empty board or early board she quickly dies to the tokens. It gets somewhat better on a developed board state, but by that same logic she also just dies to basically all the red removal that's probably backing up a deck with Goblin Rabblemaster
in it.
October 16, 2014 10:14 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #21
It's cool, I run it my dragon deck. It's fun for sure.
October 16, 2014 10:16 p.m.
I'm sure I'm more aware of the standard meta than you are if you think this is actually viable. Don't post spam.
October 17, 2014 12:29 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #23
Viable is up to the player more than the deck, yo. Even bad decks do better than proven decks when the person knows the deck.
October 17, 2014 12:31 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #24
That is factually incorrect. The best player in the world is not going to take down a GP playing a sealed deck (Well, a 60 card sealed deck). The pilot's performance is often more important than deck choice, but being a good player doesn't magically make a pile into a good deck.
In fact, one of the traits of being a good player is being able to build good decks and make smart decisions in choosing a deck from those built by others. OP has demonstrated none of this.
October 17, 2014 1:30 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #25
You're incorrectly assuming I meant "Worse" decks when I simply said "Bad" Even tokens and Soul Sisters take top 4 in the hands of people who can play. Even if you read the articles of those who are pro, you'll find that people don't often just sit down and make a deck. Rather they get a team of people and they bounce ideas around until a deck is made. There are no Solid Temur lists that I've seen anywhere. Are we to assume there are none then simply because they didn't do so hot this last tournament?
October 17, 2014 1:35 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #26
I understand the deckbuilding process for things like protours.
My point isn't that "No pros play this deck, this deck is bad". My point is "based on the 75 cards you've presented, you have built a bad deck". ("You" being OP)
Temur could be a deck. This isn't the 75 for it.
October 17, 2014 1:37 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #27
That can be true but with things like budget in mind, you have to admit it's a decent start. My point wasn't the deck did not need work. It was that it was completely unviable that got me riled. It has the barebones to work.
October 17, 2014 1:41 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #28
The concept (Nondescript Temur midrange) is viable. The deck presented is not.
Of course the deck "has the barebones to work", it's a fucking midrange deck. You just take all the good cards and throw them together. What makes a well built midrange deck is rigorously tweaked numbers, a perfect mana base, and a well tuned sideboard. OP's deck has none of that. His deck is not viable.
When assessing a deck's viability, budget is irrelevant.
October 17, 2014 1:45 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #29
Dude what the hell is your deal? Throwing curse words around like there's something to prove. Of course it's viable. It's a gameday my guy, not some high stakes PTQ or something. With that in mind, yeah of course budget matters. Decks can work without all the money cards. of course not as well as but just look at abzan reanimator, mardu blitz, and co. All decks i've seen built by Tolarian Community Colleges host and all under 100$, still good for FNMs and such.
I'm not sure why you're so set against this deck being called decent or even accepting that it can work. If he wanted to, he could just shove all the high end pricetag shit into it, copy pasta a mana base into it and call it a day but he's working with what he's got and there's no reason to shit all over that. It's not constructive to point a finger and say "Well this sucks because you're missing these expensive cards" which is pretty much what saying "You need caryatid and co or this deck isn't viable"
October 17, 2014 1:52 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #30
This argument bugs the shit out of me. My least favorite part of MTG bar none
October 17, 2014 1:55 a.m.
Looks fine to me. Very budget but good for a budget deck.
October 17, 2014 1:55 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #32
"Throwing curse words around like there's something to prove."
Not quite sure what this sentence is supposed to mean.
I guess we should always qualify then. "I want help, but not that much help, don't want my deck to be too good!" Because god forbid someone tries to make his deck the best possible list right? "I still want it to be terrible, so don't offer too much help!" That's ridiculous.
But to that end, let's say you're right, and we're aiming for a super low level for no real gain. At a game day level, anything is viable. That 60 card sealed deck I mentioned before? Viable for a gameday. So who actually cares?
If he wants to improve his deck, that's great! Why stop at some arbitrary level to make it "just" good enough for game day. (This is putting aside him not wanting criticism, or being snooty to someone because they built modern decks, and thus not really deserving any help)
But if you note, I never brought up price, that is all your doing. He has most of the cards he needs to make the deck actually good, but he needs to put more thought into how his entire deck is constructed. His mana curve, his mana base, how certain cards do nothing in his deck (Sphinx), things like that. "Copy and pasting" a mana base doesn't work, because his list is unique, and unique lists need unique mana bases.
I'm not "against" calling this deck decent, it just isn't decent. Then again, maybe I am. I'm against calling the sun "blue" because it isn't. It's the same thing.
By all means though, coddle him and tell him his list is perfect. When he loses I'm sure he'll feel better because he has a "decent" list that just placed 10th.
I guess what this boils down to, for me, is this: When someone asks for help, I'm going to be as critical as possible. To be a jerk? No. By doing so, everything is put under inspection on whether or not it works. Everything has to be proven. The end result is the best product it can possibly be. Anything less is a disservice to the person asking for help. Anything less is pointless.
October 17, 2014 2 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #33
If your least favorite part of MTG is trying to make a deck good maybe you should stop playing.
October 17, 2014 2:01 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #34
"It's a fucking midrange deck" Yeah that's not necessary. I can see you're set in this "If it's not expensive, then its trash" mindset so i'll leave you to it. FYI, elitism is my least favorite part of this game and you seem to be full of it. Have a good evening/morning.
October 17, 2014 2:06 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #35
Wow wow.
Strawman much?
I explicitly stated that price is not the determining factor in quality. Boss Sligh did very well last season, 99% of its cost was the one (1) Mutavault in the board. That deck was good.
You refuse to actually read and digest an argument. Quite ironic for someone who talks down elitism.
You're an idiot.
October 17, 2014 2:08 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #36
Also, best part of this thread, bar none, is the typo OP made in the title. Makes me giggle every time I see it.
October 17, 2014 2:08 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #37
Do you always get upset this easily?
What strawman? I quoted you then I paraphrased something you had said though it's possible that I missed something along the way since you seem to post multiple replies to single things.
So tell me "it's a fucking midrange deck. You just take all the good cards and throw them together" - this doesn not in any way imply buy all the expensive cards? One doesn't simply "just take all the good cards and throw them together" without spending do they?
Yeah, I am calling you an elitist because you have demonstrated that as such since you just can't seem to try to make a point without being aggressive or insulting people but hey, whatever makes you feel better. Now seriously, goodnight.
October 17, 2014 2:16 a.m.
2:13 in the morning isn't exactly a time where I'm known to make the most level-headed decisions, but I feel this thread isn't quite what the OP was intending. TurboFagoot, you come across as an asshole. Just saying how it is. That being said, you also sound like an asshole that knows what he's talking about. You have no problem being openly blunt about a deck's weaknesses, but consider that by coming off as rude, you make it much less likely for the person to take your advice. If you want to be helpful, there are much better ways you can phrase things. I completely understand your point about being very critical of everything; it's something that every deck builder must consider. But you would be of a much greater value to the community if you could find a way to tone yourself down. VampireArmy, I can understand why you are affronted and upset by this, but consider that once you get past his abrasive attitude, Turbo is trying to help the OP. I've been fairly blunt in the past to people when helping with b/w token decks. I've rambled long enough, I need to get some sleep myself.
October 17, 2014 2:22 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #40
Thanks xzzane. I understood what the intent was but the tone it came from is a tone I've far too well and it sets me off.
I think we got an idea of what a Strawman is Goody, thanks. :)
October 17, 2014 2:27 a.m.
Honestly, this deck isn't bad. Good? maybe not. Still has a lot of potential. it'll do decent on game day. Work on the creature base to make it more well rounded and you'll be golden.
Not sure why people are getting so worked up over this. Also not sure why some people are being so offensive about this deck when it really isn't that bad.
October 17, 2014 2:31 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #42
Don't re=open the flood gates. Nomp you don't need it in your life.
October 17, 2014 2:33 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #43
Oh so you misinterpreted what I was saying then? Midrange decks have always been the best threats + the best answers + little synergy to speak of. This isn't always equivalent to the most expensive cards + more expensive cards. Your mind made that connection, and then made that my entire argument. Somehow "Midrange decks are often built with the best cards (My thought), which are often worth more than others (your thought)" became "only decks built with the most expensive cards will ever be good (your twisted view of my argument, and thus the reason why I'm claiming strawman)". You see how ridiculous you're being, right?
In actuality, OP already has those "expensive" cards. (Most hover between $10-20, so I have no idea why you're using that moniker) He has Polukranos, Knuckleblade, Dragon, etc. He just needs to do fine-tuning for his deck to be good.
Go reread my posts. At no point did I suggest dumping hundreds of dollars into cards.
Am I crass? Sure. OP was rude to another poster, so I have no reason to be kind anymore. I stick to my point though. OP has the pieces (I.E. already spent the money you like to hinge your argument on), he just needs to tune his deck before it will be playable.
Am I repeating myself yet? Of course. You don't seem to get anything otherwise.
I'm happy you're letting your hate of "elitism" get in the way of logic, no need to waste time trying to have logical discourse with you again.
xZane, I appreciate you trying to mediate. However I'm not very concerned with my place in the community or how helpful I am. I'll offer help when I want to, and it's up to people to take it if they want to. Not jumping through hoops for something I'm already doing out of kindness.
October 17, 2014 2:33 a.m.
It's not a matter of complaining that the deck is bad. It's that the OP asked for us to praise the deck and stoke his e-peen to boost and refuses to acknowledge any criticism or help with the deck.
October 17, 2014 2:49 a.m.
TurboFagoot, if we're just being logical then the statement "I'm not very concerned with my place in the community or how helpful I am" is the same as saying you aren't actually trying to help but just trying to elicit a reaction out of other community members with no actual intention of achieving what the OP started the thread for, which was to help judge the quality of the deck. Also that would mean you aren't doing this out of the kindness of your heart either.
October 17, 2014 2:50 a.m.
WhiteEyesCloudedbyH8 says... #47
I think it's sad when user's like VampireArmy whose currently ranked #32 here on TO, get little to no defense from the community in threads that devolve to these levels of confrontation. This site really should have some form of a moderator who can handle disputes like this, as it's really the only drawback I can find about this site.
Turbo has taken the liberty of making it his personal responsibility to call out VampArmy for whatever reason and he can drop it at any time.
No one is right or wrong about anything, its just some guy's decklist in the wrong folder, we see this Every day. Shouldn't be so hostile over trivial things.
October 17, 2014 2:51 a.m.
Wait, so does TO rating actually mean something now?!
October 17, 2014 2:53 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #49
Nah man, I'm not bitter. He said something I don't like, I said something I don't like. Nothing more than lively debate. Also, rank means nothing. he's been here longer than I have I believe
October 17, 2014 2:53 a.m.
TurboFagoot says... #50
Nomp I don't see how you can make that leap in logic. It's not my priority, but that doesn't mean I can't be helpful. I'm just not concerned if that help gets through. I enjoy analyzing decks and thinking through deckbuilding. I share it, and I don't care if the deck's owner takes the advice because I got what I wanted out of it; a thought experiment.
But you're right, I'm not doing this primarily out of kindness. ;3
TurboFagoot says... #2
I don't think your deck looks very good, but apparently all you want is undeserved praise, so:
"Great deck! You'll win 100%"
October 16, 2014 8:45 p.m.