Liliana: Ramp, Drain, Kill *RETIRED*

Commander / EDH Driemer84

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Driemer84 says... #1

As an EDH noob I found this deck off an SCG VS. video and give credit to Justin Parnell for the list.

It is my first real EDH deck and I love it. It is really just a mono black good stuff deck, but I'm looking for ways to improve it. I'd love to fit some of the cards in my maybe board in to the list, but am unsure of what to take out.

My first thoughts on cuts are Burnished Hart, Exquisite Blood, Noosegraf Mob.

In my experience so far, Burnished Hart has been pretty slow. If you have it in your opener you are spending turn 3 casting it and turn 4 activating it. Though I do like that it ramps with actual swamps instead of something that can be wiped like a mana rock.

Exquisite Blood is a nice survival tool, but I'm not running Sanguine Bond and there are a couple other ways to gain life in the deck with Disciple of Bolas, Gray Merchant, Whip of Erebos, and Exsanguinate. But maybe I'm off base.

Noosegraf Mob is a neat card, but is a little slow and I feel like I can get better value out of some of the cards in the maybeboard.

Any advice or suggestions would be much appreciated.

November 26, 2016 4:01 p.m.

Xenomorph says... #2

Pawn of Ulamog

Maybe some lower end creatures that can be simple sac outlets?

November 26, 2016 4:53 p.m.

Xenomorph says... #3

I would add vampire hexmage. Some 1 and 2 drop costed creatures for some of the really expensive ones in your deck. I would actually keep exquisite blood and cut something like phyrexian gargantua. Some ideas for low mana creatures:

Bloodghast

Gravecrawler

Geralf's Messenger

Dark Ritual

November 26, 2016 4:59 p.m.

Driemer84 says... #5

Great suggestions. Now to play around with how deep to go with them and what to cut.

November 26, 2016 6:13 p.m.

Driemer84 says... #6

Slowly tuning the original list in to something of my own. More card research and discussion has let me to a few more changes.

November 29, 2016 8:52 a.m.

Driemer84 says... #7

Thinking about working in some of the cards in my maybe board.

Living Death and Tragic Slip are big maybes. They seem good, but probably not necessary.

I've never been super impressed with Sengir Autocrat in the deck, but he is lower on the curve and provides a bunch of sacrifice targets.

Smothering Abomination has been great when I get something like Autocrat or Abhorrent Overlord in play, but I'm not sure what to cut for him.

Triskelion is on there simply to end the game with Mikaeus. My playgroup has a few decks that can infinite combo and he has seems easy enough to slot in, but again I'm not sure what I want to pull.

Cards on my radar to cut are Pawn of Ulamog, Rise of the Dark and maybe Spawning Pit, though I'm hesitant to cut a free sac outlet.

I'd love to hear some feed back.

December 7, 2016 12:16 p.m.

rdeller says... #8

Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip has been my primary deck for over a year now so I hope I can provide some good advice. The biggest question I ask when looking at your deck list is "why are you playing Liliana?" Liliana has two different game plans you can build around. In my build I've chosen to build around Liliana's -2, and have a deck that takes advantage of Waste Not and emptying my opponent's hand. Looking at your build you have next to nothing that synergizes with her -2, leading me to believe your build is the second game plan built around her -X. The issue I see then is looking at your creature base. You're creature curve is insanely expensive. The vast majority of your creatures are going to require you to +2 once or twice before you're going to even have a chance at reanimating them. I'd recommend either cutting some of the higher costed creatures for some lower CMC value creatures or adding some more cards that synergize with Liliana's +2 since you're going to need to use it multiple times throughout the game in order to -X a big target.

Now one hidden and little known gem that's been the MVP of my Liliana deck is Soldevi Adnate. This card is insane value with Liliana, and I can't recommend it enough. At worst you sacrifice it to itself to get your mana back and flip Liliana. At best it eats Kokusho, the Evening Star and you ramp a ton while draining people.

December 11, 2016 4:05 p.m.

Driemer84 says... #9

Soldevi Adnate seems pretty nice and is definitely something I may try out. Another sac outlet is always good and the ramp that comes along with it is perfect.

I run Lilana because my curve is expensive. She allows me an early threat regularly. I realize I may not utilize her -x ability optimally, but I have found that I usually draw enough cards or tutor for enough resurrection to take advantage of what I've discarded so I generally go for an emblem. If I can't protect her, the deck has enough value to win on its own.

The deck isn't built 100% around the commander, but it's worked out very well so far. Sweepers help me survive an early onslaught and get me through to the point when my creatures take over the game.

December 11, 2016 9:43 p.m.

MCourtaway says... #10

Have you considered kalitas as the commander? He works much better at the helm in my mono black "Kalitas Kontrol" deck which is essentially the same deck with liliana and kalitas switched

April 17, 2017 12:32 p.m.

Driemer84 says... #11

I haven't, but that may be worth a try. Kalitas is pretty awesome, I just really liked having a 3 mana general that was easy to protect. Flipping her offers a bit of evasion with the blink as well as her zombie and whatever other board presence I may have.

I'll give Kalitas a shot over the next week or two and see how it goes!

Thanks for looking at the deck.

April 17, 2017 6:09 p.m.

Xenomorph says... #12

Curse of the Cabal is hilarious, especially if you can hard cast it.

May 19, 2017 1:04 a.m.

thraximunder3 says... #13

Torment of hellfire can replace exsanguinate since hellfire forces them to lose 3 life per Mana paid into x unless they sac a nonland permanent so this also provides a form of artifact and enchantment removal unless your opponent has a lot of creature tokens then this does nothing

July 12, 2017 8:14 p.m.

NV_1980 says... #14

Hi,

I am wondering if Royal Assassin could be a good fit in this deck. Looks pretty good as it is though.

Regards,

NV_1980

May 28, 2018 2:45 a.m.

Driemer84 says... #15

NV_1980 While I have some serious nostalgia for a revised edition Royal Assassin I think you’d be better of playing something like No Mercy or Avatar of Woe. We don’t really have any way to abuse it’s ability and killing one creature a turn isn’t too powerful. The other option is to put gave pact effects back into the deck. I moved away from them to lower the curve and draw more cards, but they are still powerful.

June 9, 2018 10:54 p.m.

alechodgin23 says... #16

Very well built deck bro. Definitely a +1 from me. I'm a well seasoned Magic player and I assume you are as well with the way the deck is built. I saved it to see if it could help me fine tune my Whisper, Blood Liturgist deck.

I appreciate you including an adequate amount of card draw and ramp in the deck. That, to me, is by far the most important part. I honestly don't have any recommendations because I think it's very tuned to do what you want it to.

Would you mind checking out my Whisper deck and possibly giving me some suggestions if you can think of any? I'd appreciate it.

May 14, 2019 10:16 p.m.

Driemer84 says... #17

alechodgin23 I really appreciate the compliment. I'd be happy to take a look at yours.

May 15, 2019 9:40 a.m.

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