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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Marisi, Breaker of the Coil
Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
Your opponents can’t cast spells during combat.
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, goad each creature that player controls (Until your next turn, those creatures attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.)
legendofa on A challenge extended to AI …
3 weeks ago
I like to think I'm reasonably creative with deck ideas, and that I can design something that nobody's ever seen before. I just spent some time checking out AI deckbuilders, and I was generally unimpressed. They do decently, if boringly, with well-established archetypes and common shells, but give them an unusual prompt and they start to fall apart.
I asked several different AI deckbuilders to design a Temur Goad deck for Commander. This combination has only four decks on TappedOut (and I'm happy to say one of them is mine), six on Archidekt, none on Moxfield (but that could be user error on the search), and 46 on EDHrec (assuming Forced Combat overlaps with Goad). So it's not exactly a common strategy.
I'm not going to reveal which AI builder gave which results, but I tested edhgen.ai, ai4chat, ChatGPT, and yeschat.ai a couple times each. The results included:
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a Temur goodstuff deck with no goad cards.
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a 64-card deck that included Taunt from the Rampart and Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant
, claiming they weren't legal as commanders but could be in the 99. -
Estrid, the Masked
as a highly recommended card, then quickly devolving into pure broken-AI gibberish. -
a suggestion for the best commander as Nefarox, Spymaster from the RRG set--anyone recognize that?
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a Xyris, the Writhing Storm deck (yay!) that was mostly wheels and token stuff (boo!) that tried to sneak in Kardur, Doomscourge. (This one was the best, and I'll give it credit for recommending a card I had overlooked. It was still mostly generic first-draft-level Xyris with off-color-ness.)
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an unfocused Marisi, Breaker of the Coil
deck. -
Raggadragga, Goreguts Boss + Grenzo, Havoc Raiser as a Commander + Background option, then claiming that green was off-color.
I then asked each one for a deck that uses only mythic rare cards and basic lands, a looser version of a prompt I got on here. Set symbols are red, but the budget isn't is where I ended up. Similar results for the AI:
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nonexistent cards, then breaking.
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a 38-card deck.
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cards of all rarities, failing to understand the prompt.
So I'm offering a challenge to AI deck builders and those who use them: pick a prompt for a niche archetype or unusual deck gimmick and post it here. I build a deck meeting that prompt using my human creativity, the AI of your choice builds a deck using whatever digital skills it has, and the TappedOut community judges the decks.
Or, if you have other general thoughts or comments about AI deck building, please feel free to add to the conversation. Spoiler: I'm generally against AI-built decks. The best ones are generic and un-nuanced, the worst ones straight-up don't work as decks.
Coward_Token on Murders at Karlov Manor
1 year ago
Disappointed with the new cards in the Boros deck. Too much politicking and random burn, not enough goading synergy. And the one good goading matters card doesn't work with Marisi, Breaker of the Coil or Jon Irenicus, Shattered One, my favored goading commanders. (Well, at least my rank #3 Baeloth Barrityl, Entertainer is happy.)
Last_Laugh on
Sorry For Party Mobbing
1 year ago
I guess that's fair on the Scepter. I always looked at it as Green's The Reaver Cleaver. I did run it in more of an Aristocrats deck and a Goad deck though (Prossh, Skyraider of Kher/Marisi, Breaker of the Coil). Removal after attacks was especially brutal in Prossh since I usually went greedy and sac'ed all my tokens to Prossh so he'd hit harder.
Yeah, I've been adding City on Fire to a few of my token decks recently thanks to convoke and the price being reasonable.
lhetrick13 on
Queen Marchesa: Turn up the Heat
1 year ago
Love the deck list. I have been wanting to do a Goad deck for a bit now with Marisi, Breaker of the Coil so fun to see a different take on the concept that I was imaging but this looks like fun to pilot and play against!
Last_Laugh on Case42
1 year ago
Do you only build decks in Mardu colors? You'd made the comment about Isshin being up your alley and I figured (wrongly) that you'd want a different color pairing and came here to suggest Marisi, Breaker of the Coil.
Marisi the Pimp - (Combat) Trickin' Hoes is my list if you feel like taking a look anyways.
Coward_Token on Murders at Karlov Manor
1 year ago
Aurelia (and the Boros precon) makes my Marisi, Breaker of the Coil deck hope there's going to be some good token-gifting cards (like Combat Calligrapher).
I wonder what "Disguise" refers to. Something like Ninjutsu? Or Morph? Feels pretty blue either way for a Naya deck.
Gleeock on What commanders do you want …
2 years ago
legendofa funny that you would do this in I did the same thing with my Marisi deck: Cats off the Lawn! Seems like Naya is a great shell to use some aggressive enchantments to change the usual playpattern of that color combo. I want to see a Naya enchantment commander that doesn't need to be "enchantress" per-se but works with good synergy with aggressive enchantments, particularly some cheeky ways to work with global effects. Sortof like Marisi, Breaker of the Coil works hilariously with Earnest Fellowship.
