Will Ceremonious Rejection Weaken Modern Bant Eldrazi Enough?
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Posted on Sept. 22, 2016, 10:02 a.m. by wtkcooley
I feel that the new Kaladesh card Ceremonious Rejection will weaken Bant Eldrazi and strength curent decks like Jeskia Nahiri and BR Delver, but will the Eldrazi decks still be powerful enough to overcome it?
EpicFreddi says... #3
Tron will take an even bigger hit. Time to play Thragtusk Mainboard.
September 22, 2016 10:07 a.m.
That's true, but I think it'll make it a little slower considering if Cavern of Souls is your second or third land it prevents a turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer and if you can Lightning Bolt their first Birds of Paradise or Noble Hierarch a turn 4 Thought-Knot Seer allowing you to get down a Nahiri, the Harbinger with out it being taken from your hand
September 22, 2016 11:20 a.m.
EpicFreddi Very true, 7 Mana Karn Liberated One , Nope
September 22, 2016 11:22 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #6
Remand/Manaleak against the T3 Karn are bad enough (cause most of the time you just can't wait), but this is really horrible. It literally counters every threat in tron.
Well except old Emrakul.
September 22, 2016 11:33 a.m.
Yeah rather than bouncing or increasing the cost (which typically isn't relevant against tron) it's virtually unconditional against Tron. I mean they still get the Emrakule cast trigger, but if your referring to his protection it isn't relevant until she's in play
September 22, 2016 11:44 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #9
This is why you play the new eldrazi with the cast triggers. Also, who cares if one karn gets countered. You just play another threat until one sticks and they die. This card is nothing to worry about in tron. Nothing that i'm worried about anyway. I'm just glad I don't play eldrazi in vintage or legacy.
September 22, 2016 12:04 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #10
Keep this in mind: People have to play Ceremonious Rejection for it to impact the metagame. It's entirely possible for artifact hate to be a better use of sideboard slots than this spell. The Eldrazi deck might just draw their Cavern, and then this card becomes almost completely dead.
I'm not saying it's unplayable, but it won't be making too huge of an impact. Jeskai Nahiri and Delver decks already have plenty of good counterspells and sideboard cards to choose from.
September 22, 2016 12:11 p.m.
DevoidMage True, but against a deck like infect every turn matters, so while it may not destroy Tron in the meta, it will strengthen blue tempo/aggro/combo decks that can steal the game if they can stall a few extra turns while having mana to do what they want
September 22, 2016 12:17 p.m.
It's not that the card has the power to counter most things in their deck it's the fact that it's so cheap at it gains an amazing tempo advantage
September 22, 2016 12:21 p.m.
Yeah, this is like the best counterspell ever against Tron. But you can only play 4 copies of this at most (and I don't think anyone's going to mainboard this or put 4 copies in the SB), and Tron plays 4 copies of everything. You counter their Karn Liberated with Ceremonious Rejection, they just play another Karn next turn. Or a Wurmcoil. Or Ugin, which can't be played on T3 anyway. The reason Tron is so successful isn't the fact it makes a lot of mana and plays huge things ahead of curve - it's how reliably it does that, thanks to redundancy and the ability to dig deep for wincons with very little effort. A single one-mana counterspell won't solve that.
Oh, and not to mention Tron tends to start making its big plays on T3. If you're on the draw, this means you can only play one-drops on your second turn. So, even if you manage to counter one of the opponent's 6 and 7-mana bombs, you won't have a board state to capitalize on their tempo loss before they drop another bomb.
September 22, 2016 4:36 p.m.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: almost certainly not.
September 22, 2016 4:44 p.m.
Negate, Thoughtseize, Stony Silence, Spell Snare, and Spell Pierce are already better answers to Tron, Affinity, and Eldrazi.
Ceremonious Rejection is far too narrow of a card to use up a sideboard slot.
GoldGhost012 says... #2
Bant Eldrazi will probably be mostly fine. It already maindecks at least 3 Cavern of Souls already.
September 22, 2016 10:05 a.m.