How do you rid yourself of creepy doll and other indestructible?
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Posted on Oct. 22, 2013, 6:16 p.m. by DimirZer00
Can a Akroma's Vengeance or a Wrath of God Destroy a Creepy Doll ,Stuffy Doll or other indestructible Creature?
And what are the ways indestructible Creatures may be remove from the battlefield?
Yes, I forgot about that. Sacrifice effects also don't care about indestructibility.
From the MtG comprehensive rules:
"700.4. If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects cant destroy it. (See rule 701.6, Destroy.) Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based action. Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or exiled"
October 22, 2013 6:32 p.m.
You can also Oust or Hallowed Burial them in addition to Path to Exile and things like Dismember
October 22, 2013 6:50 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #7
So with cards like Helvault , Ghostly Flicker and Undying Evil . Creepy Doll & Stuffy Doll a long with other indestructible Creatures. Have very few real threats outside of actual counter?
October 22, 2013 8:03 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #8
Also Terminus works wonders.
There's plenty of answers. But, if the game were easy, it would be called checkers.
October 22, 2013 8:07 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #9
fluffybunnypants Awesome name by the way
So, you play Terminus . Then opponent plays Ghostly Flicker .Exile their indestructible Creatures. All the remaining Creatures go to bottle of the libraries. Then indestructible Creatures come back in play. So ,you would still need a counter for Ghostly Flicker .
October 22, 2013 8:31 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #10
Ghostly Flicker doesn't say it returns the cards to the battlefield at a later time (like Glimmerpoint Stag or something similar). It returns them as part of its effect when it resolves. The creatures will go to exile, come back, then get dumped by Terminus when it resolves.
October 22, 2013 8:35 p.m.
golffore297 says... #11
Far / Away is also a good choice by using the sacrifice side. Just make sure to bounce the other creature if they have one. Any other sacrifice cards would be just as good though.
October 22, 2013 8:45 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #12
and I know MTG isn't easy that's way I love it.I made a Creepy Doll & Stuffy Doll deck: The Haunted Hour for fun. and am not seeing it weakest yet, and it's starting to really bother me.
Cause, I want to make it stronger. However, am not seeing how to do that. Because the deck is already MTG god mode as is.
October 22, 2013 8:45 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #13
golffore297 How would Far / Away interact with Ghostly Flicker ?
October 22, 2013 8:48 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #14
Because Terminus doesn't target anything, flickering a creature won't work. The spell doesn't fizzle due to target loss like it would if you were casting say.... Lightning Bolt on it. Instead, it goes on the stack, it resolves first.... and the creature goes to the bottom of the library anyway.
October 22, 2013 8:51 p.m.
golffore297 says... #15
DimirZer00 if I am thinking correctly, Far / Away would not be able to bounce that target creature, but it would still be a legal target for sacrifice as it is not being targeted, the player is. I could be wrong on that though.
October 22, 2013 8:54 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #16
The sacrifice effect doesn't care about indestructibility.
October 22, 2013 9:03 p.m.
golffore297 says... #17
fluffybunnypants Sorry for not clarifying. I was thinking that in the case of Ghostly Flicker that it would still be a legal target to be sacrificed. I'm not sure if that's correct or not though.
October 22, 2013 9:07 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #18
It's a good question. The way I think would happen.If you used Ghostly Flicker the target creature would flicker out and in of play. and, if it was only creature on the field. That player would be force to sacrifice it.So, you would almost want to play Ghostly Flicker on the away part of the card. However, am not sure. If you could do that.
October 22, 2013 9:19 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #19
Rhadamanthus yes, I understand. Ghostly Flicker exile a card only for moment.
However, is there away to get Ghostly Flicker to work. So, creature wouldn't get dumped by Terminus when it resolves?
Also, how would Ghostly Flicker work with Far/away?
October 22, 2013 9:22 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #20
The sacrifice effect targets you. So, it's predominantly inconsequential.
October 22, 2013 9:25 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #21
fluffybunnypants Most likely yes.However, If your down to one creature for whatever the reason. The consequence of away suddenly matters. But then again, MTG is a game actions and re-actions.
October 22, 2013 9:38 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #22
Game 1 is going to be a hilarious matchup for you, unless you're facing a combo deck... in which case you're kind of screwed without interruption.
What you really need to worry about are games 2 and 3. In my opinion, the questions you should be asking are how do you deal with Leyline of Sanctity and artifact removal? Better yet, how do you deal with Jund and hand control?
October 22, 2013 9:50 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #23
fluffybunnypants Your absolutely right. However, this broads between updating a current deck VS making a new one. and while, I do have Helvault &Ghostly Flicker . So, I can beat them to the punch. There is no way for me to deal with card like Leyline of Sanctity and counter spells.
At the same time. A lot people don't realize the power of Ornate Kanzashi . Which is one of the reason I want another one in my deck. beside the two.When I have the chance to get one. Thats also why, I want to try the combo Ornate Kanzashi with Omen Machine and see how it works out. Yeah, I may not be indestructible. But, am going to totally troll the battlefield and have fun doing so.
Dallie says... #2
Indestructible means that it can't die from lethal damage or destroy effects. Cards that say destroy, such as the ones you mentioned, won't remove Creepy Doll or Stuffy Doll from the battlefield.
The way to remove indestructible creatures (and not have them come back, such as they could by a Vapor Snag , is to either exile them, using a Path to Exile , Chained to the Rocks , or any other effect that exiles it.
A creature can also be put in the graveyard for having 0 toughness or less. Indestructibility won't prevent a creature with 0 toughness from dying. So for Creepy Doll or Stuffy Doll any card with -1/-1 effects or -1/-1 counters works. Contagion Clasp , Tragic Slip or cards such as Curse of Death's Hold
October 22, 2013 6:22 p.m.