Will Prophet of Kruphix Ever Be Unbanned in EDH?
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Posted on July 8, 2018, 3:24 p.m. by DemonDragonJ
I had a Prophet of Kruphix in every EDH deck that I had that used the colors blue and green, so I was naturally very disappointed that that card was banned in that format.
Therefore, I wonder; will PoK ever be unbanned, eventually? The EDH committee even admitted that it was not that problematic of a card in that format, and they did eventually unban both Kokusho and Protean Hulk, so I shall keep hope for the prophet, as well.
What does everyone else say about this? Will prophet of Kruphix ever be unbanned in EDH?
DrukenReaps says... #3
Everything always has the potential to be unbanned. The committee regularly says they want to keep the ban list as small as possible.
Similar cards are still legal so you can use those in the mean time.
July 8, 2018 4:51 p.m.
goblinguiderevealpls says... #4
i seriously doubt it. in creature decks it basically says "take an extra turn during each other players turn" which is oppressive and 1 sided, basically allows you to take an extra turn for each opponents turns as you get to untap and flash in big green creatures
its far too broken, before it was banned a moajority of competitive lists were simic specifically because of how broken that card is, people were complaining about it constantly the second it got printed and everyone agreed it needed banning long before it was officially banned. they would sooner unban braids as even she is more fun than prophet, u might as well play narset cuz prophet doesnt let your opponents have turns without you flashing in blockers or dumb shit like bane of progress on their upkeeps
i have a foil promo one i never got to use, and i think thats fair as ive played far too many games where i fell asleep waiting for the simic player to finish their bullshit during my turn. its boring, unfun and way too overpowered in a multiplayer format, id sooner see upheaval or worldfire since anything on the banlist is more fair, prophet is by far the most banned card on the list it would be the last card unbanned
July 8, 2018 5:25 p.m.
RazortoothMtg says... #5
goblinguiderevealpls... I mean, Black Lotus and Time Walk and Balance are also on the banlist. I think they will never be unbanned, whereas prophet has a chance.
July 8, 2018 5:56 p.m.
There is a decent chunk of EDH decks which are slow and don't run much removal. PoK preys on those decks as they don't have a way to deal with it.
It also has a lot of stigma around it as most people who ran it basically ran it as their secret (or not so secret) commander. Green Sun's Zenith for X=5? Basic their line was to get KoP as soon as they could and then go from there.
In that casual setting, nobody wanted to sit down to a game where one (or two) player(s) had a PoK out and they didn't. It's kind of like when two players get turn one Sol Rings and you don't. Except in this case the game slows down to a crawl because people who play PoK will almost always be playing a control deck.
July 8, 2018 6:08 p.m.
goblinguiderevealpls says... #7
RazortoothMtg... have you ever played a multiplayer game with prophet? cuz if you have then you would know how broken it is. i don't know a single person out of the hundreds at my LGS who thinks its a fair card. i mean it got banned for a reason, and not very long ago. your logic is severely flawed since power 9 cards will only ever be vintage legal,so those aren't even valid examples, and tbh balance is more of a fun card than prophet, prophet turns every simic deck into narset solitaire, which is fine if you enjoy playing by yourself and not having any friends, but Time Walking on every opponents upkeep and getting free green creatures is beyond unfair. it got banned because more than 50% of cedh decks were GB prophet decks, and a card should not be that influential in a format.
i want braids and leovold unbanned, but hoping is useless when a card is strong enough to take the fun out of an entire format. they aren't going to unban format-breaking cards just because a few people including myself own the card and want to use it. thats not how the banlist works. just cuz you think a card is fair doesnt mean the entire community agrees with you, and whoever said its not that bad has obviously not played against an animar deck running it. it was completely broken in my animar deck and i wasn't surprised when it got banned because i have seen its full potential in my own decks as well as others, and i also know several people who quit edh because of prophet.
i honestly think you are misinformed because nobody who has seen prophet played in edh would agree that it's anywhere close to fair
July 8, 2018 6:17 p.m. Edited.
It's highly unlikely. The RC's stance is that prophet creates play-patters they're not happy with. I personally think the card is fine if you were to balance with cEDH in mind, but that's obviously not something the RC cares about. It's rightfully on the list for the social/casual hybrid that the RC wants to enforce.
July 8, 2018 7:09 p.m.
Comparing PoK to Seedborn Muse is like comparing Black Lotus to Lotus Petal...there’s similarity, but one is vastly superior. Every cEDH build in Simic, Bant, Sultai or Temur will automatically include PoK. The same cannot be said for Seedborn Muse.
The ban is and will continue to be completely justified based on gameplay and deck construction impact, as it is a card that disproportionately impacts game tempo and length. In my opinion, it has very little to do with winning percentage, as protean hulk would never have been unbanned if that were the case. I’d be pretty surprised to see it get unbanned, but I’d never say never...which is why I still have my foil versions of it.
July 8, 2018 10:59 p.m.
I generally don't like to call people out too much, but Azdranax is pretty off the mark with the comment on prophet's playability in cEDH. Animar would run her and Derevi would likely get a bump on the list, but there actually aren't that many cEDH decks that care about prophet all that much. Maybe the Sidisi could find a card to cut and Tasigur value-based lists would pick prophet up. I don't recall if Edric loved prophet pre-ban. I guess my point is that Simic, Bant, Sultai and Temur don't really have much representation at the highest levels of play and prophet is by no means an auto-include here. I guess it depends on how you classify cEDH.
Mind you, none of this is to take away or dispute prophet's current status. Like I said, cEDH has nothing to do with the RC.
July 9, 2018 1:32 a.m.
In addition to waht TheDevicer said, I think that most control lists like Tasigur, the Golden Fang will still prefer Seedborn Muse since a lot of those lists use mana rocks in combination with Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter and muse untaps them.
July 9, 2018 2:09 a.m.
Sure, I'll bite on you calling me out TheDevicer, as I may have overstated the certainty of players including PoK in cEDH decks in my previous post, but I think your primary point (Simic, Bant, Sultai and Temur being underrepresented among the top tier decks) does actually support what I was getting at, as you then named all of the top tier decks in these categories except for Thrasios, and I'd argue that the card would be a consideration, if not an inclusion, for any of them. So, I should have said considered instead of included...fair enough. That said, that was not my primary point, and it's is not why the card is banned - in my opinion.
If my previous post didn't read as I intended, my primary point was intended to be that PoK, much like Leovold with his banning, creates a play environment that lengthens and delays the entirety of the game without significantly increasing winning percentages. Regardless if we're talking about cEDH, semi-competitive or casual, PoK impacts the environment in what most would consider a negative way by slowing game tempo and extending game length in most cases. That was the point I was making with my first post, but apparently the first paragraph got in the way, or was it just the mention of cEDH specifically?
In any case, when you call someone out by name, expect a response...I'm happy to provide one.
July 9, 2018 2:18 a.m.
Heavens no. I played against PoK enough times to say that won't be coming off the banlist. I'd build a a Rashmi, Eternities Crafter Primal Surge deck if that was the case.
puts on a tinfoil hat I think Recurring Nightmare's more likely to be unbanned than PoK, but that's just me.
July 9, 2018 9:18 a.m.
Ugh, yuck. PoK was horrid. Reminds me of what I do with Planar Bridge + 1st search = Seedborn Muse = drop a permanent on everyone elses' turns. However that strategy takes about 14 mana or so....
July 9, 2018 12:08 p.m.
davidsays1 says... #17
I agree with many people here although pok and seedborn read slightly the same pok is extremely in its own league id much rather face seedborn tbh. Not to mention pok was banned when partial mulligan was still a thing so people would keep an op hand with pok in it and combo immediately. I want partial back my friends and i found it fun but i dont want pok back card is op.
July 13, 2018 2:11 p.m.
Yet flash hulk gave rise to the turn 2 maybe sooner win con while prophet doesnt cause for the game to immediatly end. Trust me I'm playing flash hulk in the meantime until prophet gets unbanned hopefully. Until then I guess I will keep ending the game around turn 3
dockdock says... #2
I hope so... I personally don't think the card is that bad, I mean Seedborn Muse still exists and it can go in way more decks than the Prophet. I think the rules committee banned it because people are wusses and kept complaining about how 'broken' it was, which is a crap reason I think. Like you said Hulk and Kokusho got unbanned so theres hope right?
July 8, 2018 4:44 p.m.