Ever After?

Ever After is a brand new SOI spoiled card.

Palladium Myr + Pili-Pala is definitely better than the previous combo and I will be swapping those two out. I don't know the skittles is worth it though since you're dealing infinite damage anyway. Whip seems great too. I like the combo of monolith and orb as well. Gitgud frog is great as a combo piece, but I'm wondering if adding stax pieces would be a good idea. If you guys want to suggest specific cards for my deck, however, I'd recommend doing it on my deck and not this forum.

Murpy Skittles in the grave gives Ooze haste for an additional

Yeah but why do I need that when I'm getting infinite damage from Bloodrite Invoker?

Because summoning sickness prevents you from getting infinite mana with Necrotic Ooze the turn you play him?

The quillspike/devoted or Pila/Myr combos both require you to tap the ooze.

Skittles lets you cast the ooze and activate him in the same turn.

Wait, wouldn't Nooze just give skittles haste since it specifies that skittles gets the haste?

Sorry, I'm stupid, I'll add in skittles.

Link from oracle:mtgThaen If an activated ability of a card in a graveyard references the card it's printed on by name, treat Necrotic Ooze's version of that ability as though it referenced Necrotic Ooze by name instead. For example, if Cudgel Troll (which says "G: Regenerate Cudgel Troll") is in a graveyard, Necrotic Ooze has the ability "G: Regenerate Necrotic Ooze."

Ahh, thank you!

The Sidisi + Ever After thing is pretty cute, with the infinite black from either combo you can reanimate the yard and Concordant Crossroads gives them haste. Of course, you need the Crossroads in hand or in play since you'd presumably have milled your entire deck. Alternatively, the aforementioned Krosan Reclamation can get Crossroads back into your "deck" so that Sidisi can grab it the last time you reanimate her.

I think Ooze combos are still probably the best way to consistently kill a table.

If you were playing in a more casual meta ever after may as well have the Epic keyword.

Paying 6 mana to reanimate something, every turn, is quite strong. Especially if you can benefit from ETB or LTB/death triggers or have a sac outlet.

It has a fun combo with Crossroads for sure. It should be noted that Akroma's Memorial can do it for a mono B deck as well, meaning sidisi as the commander reduces the number of combo pieces you need to tutor. Dunno, food for thought.

It also works with Rune-Scarred Demon as long as you have a sac outlet. Additionally, reanimating RSD and sidisi together with a sac outlet in play is infinite tutor in mono B. (Not that you'd need it much at that point mind you)

I personally run a Progenitus deck because why not?PS I use him as a distraction for my other shenanigans or I just use him tokill all my opponents.

Erm...you're not exactly making a compelling argument for Progenitus' placement at a higher tier, I'm sorry to say. In fact, just what are you trying to say, exactly?

My guess is he likes Progenitus?

Evidently. That isn't really saying much of importance, though. I mean, I like Mishra, Artificer Prodigy, but saying that doesn't exactly contribute to the established discussion in any way.

Pfft, he thinks he knows anything about Progenitus.

My Progenitus is run in the coolest most bestest and strongest deck ever! It runs ALL the cool big minions! Tier 0, easy!

Everyone knows the higher the average CMC of a deck is, the betterer and coolerer it is. And mine has the highest average cmc ever!

Big Bad Monstrosities (Avg CMC >7!)

This is really nice and all, but it's not really what this page is about. Please, people of Tappedout, if you really love a card, that's awesome, but here is not the place to say it if it is irrelevant to what the page is trying to do.

Yep... Please people discuss about the tier placement ;p

Hello, first off just want to say that I am a big fan. I enjoy the discussion because I learn a lot about some of the commanders and about other cards as well. I mostly play my Sen Triplets deck, Sen Stooges, so I am very familiar with Esper combos and would love your opinions of my deck, but that is not why I came here.

I was hoping to ask about why Avacyn, Angel of Hope is tier 3. I have played against a couple decks and have tried building around her myself very briefly. I find that she is just way to expensive to get out early enough without tons and tons of ramp. Additionally, she is mono white and has very limited options for ramp. There is also that other angel that could shut her, and her entire deck, out if played first. Her ability, once played, is very powerful. Giving all your permanents indestructible is nothing to laugh at. However, with the new Descend upon the Sinful exiling all creatures instead of simply destroying them. So while I do agree that she is not something to be trifled with if left untouched, most if not all of the decks I have seen with her are to slow and fall apart very easily to Black Sun's Zenith and Descend upon the Sinful. I do not think that she belongs in the same tier as my beautiful Sen Triplets. At the same time, moving her down a tier seems like it might not be the best idea because she is still pretty solid IF you can get her out. I agree that she can be great in decks (looking at you, Mayael), but as a commander I just don't know about tier 3.

I would like to get your opinions on this. Y'all seem to have a much greater knowledge of the cards these days. Thank you for taking the time to answer.

@trinitok: I'm inclined to agree with you. I don't feel Aavacyn is worthy of Tier 3 when we have commanders like Krenko, Mob Boss in it. She has some great synergy with nearly every form of board wipe from Wrath of God to Worldslayer, but she's just too slow.

Unfortunately, I've been headed off each time I bring it up by Avacyn players, so she's managed to remain in Tier 3 all this time.

I feel she is tier 4 as well, but I think she is being held up by stacky type wrath decks. Armageddon type shenanigans maybe.

If we are basing it off of what the deck runs as opposed to how the commander really synergizes with the deck, I would like to advocate my girls, the Sen Triplets, as tier 2 then because of my deck, Sen Stooges. I can consistently win on turn 4-6 in over 60% of my games :P

That being said, I feel that if you run them and run them often that you do have some bias towards them. I personally feel that my girls are worthy of tier 2, but that is because I am SUPER biased towards them and love taking control and shutting down my opponents with their ability. As their flavor text says, "They are the masters of your mind"!

NarejED: I agree with you, but because Wordslayer is an artifact, I can run it in any deck and since it relies on dealing damage to a player, then all I gotta do is chump block. Avacyn, Angel of Hope doesn't have any way of becoming unblockable so all I literally gotta do is just make Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon chump block and regenerate until Avacyn dies. I do not mean to insult you, and I apologize if I am coming off as such. My point is that her color just does not help much with Worldslayer. Additionally, Avacyn, Angel of Hope is already cmc 8. Worldslayer cast and equip is cmc 10 making a total of cmc 18. So you would need considerable ramp before pulling any shenanigans. I do agree with you though about Avacyn currently being in with Krenko, Mob Boss. It just doesn't make sense. But if you also look at the tier 4 generals, you can see that there is a clear difference between a lot of the tier 4 and tier 3 generals. If Avacyn, Angel of Hope is moved down, she would be one of, if not the most, powerful of the tier 4 commanders because of her potential.

Didgeridooda: first off, love your username. Made me chuckle. Yes, you can run her in some stax deck, but they are not as good as they could be. Not sure if really tier 3 worthy. If you could use her to make tokens instead of giving indestructible and then run something with stax, I could definitely see that working. If you have an example of a deck, I would love to see it. Furthermore, while blowing stuff up with Armageddon is funny, most competitive decks, my Sen Stooges, for example, won't care. I will have to much ramp through artifacts or my average cmc will be low enough in a competitive setting that blowing up my lands will not really make me fret that much. Will it set me behind? Absolutely. Will this mean GG for me though? Maybe, not guaranteed. Again, if you have an example, I would love to see it. I apologize if I have insulted you with my response. Just merely want to try and help show that I do not believe Avacyn, Angel of Hope is worthy of tier 3.

Avacyn, Angel of Hope does have an easy way to abuse worldslayer. Its called Stonehewer Giant. Either way, she is a perfect example of a borderline general. Weaker than most the other tier 3 generals and stronger than most the tier 4 generals.

Sen Triplets got a nice boost with the rule 4 change and esper is a stong color scheme for competitive play. I could see them maybe being tier 2.

I tend to stay away from judging Esper control decks because I run one as my main. We say not to advocate for your own decks/commanders because everyone is going to be bias in favor of them. With that said, I do not disagree with you. Triplets are very good.

As far as Avacyn, I just think the being mono white thing is too big of a hurdle to overcome.