Dinosaur Deck Hub Addition?

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Posted on July 12, 2019, 3:10 a.m. by Adleisio

I noticed there is a sever lack of dinosaur specific hubs for those building mostly dino decks after the Ixalan blocks.

Try "tribal". It labels every creature type based deck.

July 12, 2019 3:44 a.m.

cdkime says... #3

I think Dinosaurs are reaching a critical mass where they probably do deserve their own hub, much as Minotaurs and other limited-support tribes already have. Based on our seeing a couple dinosaurs printed since Ixalan, I think Wizards likes the design space dinosaurs occupy, as they provide for large reptilian creatures without the baggage of Dragons. I figure we will continue to see Dinosaurs pop up with some frequency, only furthering the need for a specific hub.

July 12, 2019 8:33 a.m.

legendofa says... #4

Added Dinosaurs as a hub, but I hope they slow down on tribal pushes. If every new tribe gets supported enough to be hubbed, it's going to pile up really fast.

Except Skeletons. Skeletons are cooler than Zombies, and there's only 50 of them. Zombies get that many new cards each year. Where's the Skeleton tribal?

July 12, 2019 11:07 a.m.

Adleisio says... #5

Coolios, yay Dinos!

July 12, 2019 10:30 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #6

I'm of the opinion that specific tribes needs a critical mass of lords and/or competitively viable in a nonstandard format to get its own hub. There is simply too many of them to list them all.

In fact, we could do to remove some of these hubs that are archetypes that are no longer played. Aikido, Battlecruiser, Caw Blade, Forcefeed, Necropotence, Solar Flare, Spellslinger and Team America.

I don't agree with the dinos inclusion, in fact, all the following tribal hubs can be removed: Angels, Demons, Dragons, Knights, Saproling, Soldiers and Wizards.

Amulet Bloom should be renamed to Amulet Titan since Summer Bloom is banned. Izzet Phoenix should be changed to just Phoenix since Arclight Phoenix deck isn't restricted to just izzet colours.

The only archetype that I think needs inclusion is Eggs, an archetype that has existed through many formats for a long time.

July 13, 2019 3:04 p.m.

legendofa says... #7

Femme_Fatale I disagree with some of your hubs to be removed. Aikido, Battlecruiser, and Spellslinger, in particular from the ones you listed, are very common casual archetypes.

I do agree that the hub list can be trimmed up, with some of the old Standard options removed. I also agree that Eggs needs to be on the list, and I'll add that one shortly.

July 13, 2019 7 p.m.

legendofa says... #8

Eggs has been added.

Femme_Fatale Sorry to keep tagging you, but just to clarify, what would you consider a "critical mass" of lords? Cards such as Kinjalli's Caller and Forerunner of the Empire aren't traditional lords, but they define deck construction as much as Elvish Archdruid or Lord of the Undead . Same with cards like Dinosaur Stampede and Savage Stomp . The tribe is small, but it's popular in casual, and as cdkime mentions, there's likely only going to be more of them.

July 13, 2019 7:50 p.m.

Femme_Fatale says... #9

legendofa

Battlecruiser is just control/ramp, it's not unique enough to warrant its own archetype. Aikido and spellslinger I feel aren't descriptive enough of what they are. Spellslinger is just "permanentless" and can be renamed as such. Aikido isn't useful in an english speaking site. If hubs aren't a presently top-tier deck or using a keyword/specific card, I feel like they need to be much more easily understood by people who see it in the hubs list and go "oh! that's neat" and not "what the hell is this?" As such I suggest the terminology "Tactical Appropriation" as a replacement for Aikido.

At least, I hope you can rename hubs without issues.

Other hubs I think can be removed: Large ... what even is this?, Vehicle, probably Hive Mind as the archetype is now just Amulet Titan, Devotion and Energy since those aren't going to be comp decks in non-rotating formats until more devotion gets reprinted. Exalted since that has kinda died down quite a bit and is usually just voltron now. Cruel control since Cruel Ultimatum is kind of an underwhelming card now. Loam and Lands seem kinda interchangeable.

Artifact and Enchantment should be plural.

As for the requirements for a tribe to get a hub for tribes that don't have a competitive showing, I think there needs to be 10 cards of permanents that give static/permanent benefits specifically about that tribe that aren't one time effects, and instants or sorceries that care specifically about that tribe as their main effect (an example, for dragons, Belltoll Dragon wouldn't classify but Dragonstorm would). This means the following tribes don't make the cut: Angels, Cats, Demons, Knights and Minotaurs.

These should be added as a consequence of the above criteria: Elementals, Warriors, and maybe "flying matters" and "toughness matters" but that's up for debate, and probably isn't entirely a good idea if exalted should also go.

July 16, 2019 4:09 a.m.

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