God's of journey into nyx (speculation)

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Posted on Feb. 1, 2014, 10:07 p.m. by Rhinowarrior

Alright so I was just wondering what you all thought about how the gods are going to turn out for journey into nyx! Personally I was slightly disappointed with all the gods of the recent set except for [xenagos, God of revels]]. So what do you think their toughness, power, mana cost and abilities will be. Here's some of my thoughts.

Keranos, God of storms 3(UR)



Whenever a you cast a sorcery or instant, copy that spell. You may choose New copies for that target.

Kruphix, God of horizons



Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control' put two +1/+1 counters on that creature.

Iroas, God of victory

5/7 (opposite of mogis?)


Whenever you play a spell targeting a creature that you control, that creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.

What do you guys think?

Rhinowarrior says... #1

Gods*. I accidentally placed an apostrophe in gods in the title sorry!

February 1, 2014 10:10 p.m.

DaggerV says... #2

I'm looking forward to seeing Krumpix and Keranos, due to their color combo. Expecting Krumpix to have either some kind of manipulation of the field, or deck.

February 1, 2014 10:19 p.m.

Korombos says... #3

These were my previous speculations, but I think now they will be more like BNG's gods: (from thread http://tappedout.net/mtg-forum/custom-cards/theros-demigod-ideas/ )

February 1, 2014 10:23 p.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #4

Those are really cool! Unfortunately, wizards didn't have the decency to at least give karametra trample and phenax expelled or something. I also don't think that they will deviate from their current formula of the multicolor Gods which means that mana activated abilities will probably not make an appearance:(

February 1, 2014 10:30 p.m.

DevoidMage says... #5

5 mana for a ~4/4 creature with 3-5 abilities... That's not OP at all...

Personally, I believe that they'll follow the same format as the other demi-gods, because why would they deviate.

I'm assuming that they're going to want more inspired triggers in the next set (BeeTeeDubs, don't play an inspired deck in standard. I tried it out at the prerelease and it's god awful...), so effects like Phenax's are likely.

For example,

Atheros, God of Somethingorother (2WB)


Devotion 7

Creatures you control have "(tap); Each opponent loses 1 life. Gain life equal to the amount of life lost this way".

February 1, 2014 10:45 p.m.

Korombos says... #6

@ Rhinowarrior Yeah, and alot of the design space I thought might go into the multigods went into the archetypes, instead.

February 1, 2014 10:46 p.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #7

I hope to God that inspired is not in journey into nyx. It is such a weak ability in my opinion. I wan the gods to be able to have a lot universal domain. I want them to see play in standard, and edh! Inspired is used on about 20 cards. The moment they start making mythical to appeal to such a niche group is coming. I like specific combos just as much as others but if it's a God they should freaking appeal to a multitude of decks! Like phenax is sooooo mill specific.

February 1, 2014 11:33 p.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #8

Sorry that grammar was gods awful.

February 1, 2014 11:34 p.m.

AussieBloke says... #9

I'd like to see something like Keranos, God of Beards- (3RU), 6/5, indestructible, devotion line, Discard a creature card, gain control of target creature until end of turn, then sacrifice it. Discard a nonland, noncreature card, choose new target for target instant or sorcery spell. I almost think that's a valid card, it has huge output for a fair drawback. It seems like an Izzet style card too.

February 1, 2014 11:40 p.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #10

I like that. Lol what is the God of beards? I wish all the minor gods ha like legendary enchantment pets. Like he could have the bearded lizard! In all seriousness though I actually like that card idea! The first on seems a little op though.

February 1, 2014 11:46 p.m.

DevoidMage says... #11


That would be a fantastic ability, even on a 4 drop sorcery.

And Rhinowarrior, inspired is sure to be in the next set. It's honestly not a bad concept. If you find a way to tap things while giving them an ability, then they also have an ability on the untap, you're successfully 2 for 1ing every turn. That's pretty good tempo. However, in a standard that is full of loxodon smiters and Blood barons, that's not a likely line to see play. Once rotation happens, i'm definitely making a Modern looking UB tempo deck with Pain Seer , Shipwreck Singer , and Siren of the Silent Song . With enablers like Claim of Erebos , the deck has potential to be a pretty nasty tempo build.

The Gods do also appeal to a larger crowd than you may think. Phenax isn't strictly for the mill deck, he would also be a great enabler in my tempo build. There's a lot of cards available in EDH that deal with tapped / untapping things, and cards like that have potential to be really beneficial.

February 1, 2014 11:49 p.m.

AussieBloke says... #12

Yeah the first ability is a bit OP, maybe just gain control of a creature, but you can do it at instant speed, and it untaps and gains haste. And the beard thing was from my local FNM did a 'anything goes' Halloween thing, and a guy brought in a 'Beard' Tribal deck. It was hilarious, and deadly.

February 1, 2014 11:51 p.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #13

@ ThatBlueMage I am new to magic so I apologize for my naivety. I think you are right about both however. Inspired certainly has potential. My only problem is that it is slow. And while they have created some good cards, I feel the majority are not great. About the gods. Yes phenax enable Inspired. But how many inspired cards are there in black and blue? 7? 8? And yes there is mill but how many people play mill? I just wish they were a little more relevant. Speaking of which, I was curious on thoughts on karametra?

February 1, 2014 11:58 p.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #14

@AussieBloke that's amazing

February 2, 2014 midnight

Just so you guys know, some of the Gods already have their names spoiled in the flavor texts of cards. Keranos is the God of Epiphany, stated in Bolt of Keranos . Iroas is the God of Victory - Arena Athlete . I think there are some others, but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.

February 2, 2014 3:09 a.m.

AussieBloke says... #16

Another thought for Iroas, if he's Mogis's twin and opposite, this is my guess. Iroas, God of Victory, (2RW), 5/7, indestructible, devotion line, Whenever a creature you control dies, you gain 2 life. Attacking creatures you control get +1/+0 for each other attacking creature. The first ability basically saves you two turns from being hit by Mogis's ability, which I think is fair, considering you would be losing either way without it. The last ability also seems well reasoned to me.

February 2, 2014 3:28 a.m.

I just am ready to get my Izzet scry land, and Izzet God. And hopefully they do the Izzet guild some justice and blue justice in the next set

February 2, 2014 7:58 a.m.

DevoidMage says... #18

I would love if Iroas gave your creatures battle cry.


Karametera seems very fringe. Might be good in some sort of ramp deck, but honestly 5 mana is too much for that ability to be relevant. Although, Knight of the Reliquary sees play in modern, and the effect is fairly similar. Some could argue that 3 mana in modern is roughly 5 mana in standard, so it definitely has a shot at being good. Probably not until rotation though.

February 2, 2014 8:28 a.m.

Cobthecobbler says... #19

Just so you guys know, the beliefs of Theros directly contrast the ideas of Ravnica. For example, the UR God will not seem Izzet-y at all and the UG one most likely will have nothing to do with counters. The lore says that the people of Theros find ravnican beliefs blasphemy. You guys are all coming up with ideas based off of the guilds and what mechanics they set forth. :/

February 2, 2014 9:16 a.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #20

@CobthecobblerThe people of theros personally don't know that the plane of existence... exist. While some directly linked to the planeswalker May know of these other planes, do you really think that that would be common knowledge?

@ ThatBlueMage thanks for your opinion. I was thinking about maybe making a landfall, x mana costed, karametra end deck. She seems to have. Lot of potential there. I was thinking cascade might work well with her also.

As foe the battlecry on iroas.... that would be awesome. I like the idea. I just don't think wizards will give us what we want. They will try to make it appeal to the set which means everything's kind of up in the air as of now:/ anyone know when they start spoiling journey?

February 2, 2014 9:42 a.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #21

*karametra edh deck. This autocorrect is painful.

February 2, 2014 9:43 a.m.

DevoidMage says... #22

BoTG isn't even released yet. I'll assume that spoilers will start this time 3-4 months from now.

February 2, 2014 9:56 a.m.

JWiley129 says... #23

Cobthecobbler - I would love to see your source for that info because I'm with Rhinowarrior. Each plane is very distinct from one another and knowledge of other planes is limited primarily to Planeswalkers. It'd be akin to someone coming up to me and talking about Middle-Earth as though it were a real place. I'd look at them funny and walk away.

That said, Maro has said that the minor gods are supposed to "play nice" with the guilds considering we just left RTR block. Having them be exact copies would be fun, i.e. Kruphix giving all your creatures Evolve, Pharika giving them Scavenge, etc.

Back on topic, I think that Keranos is going to have some sort of instant/sorcery copy effect and Athreos is a graveyard recursion card. The others are a bit harder to figure out.

February 2, 2014 9:59 a.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #24

That's the thing ThatBlueMage journey into nyx is released in 3 months!!!

Everything JWiley129 just said i agree with. Well done sir.

February 2, 2014 10:16 a.m.

JWiley129 says... #25

I just realized I had a typo, I meant "Having them be exact copies wouldn't be fun." But looking at the minor gods already spoiled they do play relatively nice. Xenagos, God of Revels and Mogis, God of Slaughter work the best with their Ravnican guild. But Karametra, God of Harvests and Ephara, God of the Polis I think don't work as well since Selesnya is more about tokens and Azorius doesn't have that many flash creatures to abuse Ephara's trigger with.

February 2, 2014 10:53 a.m.

Rhinowarrior says... #26

Agreed. Karametra is a beast for naya though. And ephara the same for bant.

February 2, 2014 10:58 a.m.

Ultimaodin says... #27

Wasn't Kruphix mentioned to be God of Time or something similar. (for the life of me I don't remember the exact word)

Anyway, looking at Kruphix we have Courser of Kruphix , that lets you play land from the top of your deck; Prophet of Kruphix , which untaps land and lets you flash in creatures - working well with Inspiration and evolve (playing more creatures means more evolve triggers). Then there is Kiora, the Crashing Wave who leans towards a control shell and Kiora's Follower who again synergises with Inspiration.

Personally I think Kruphix will have a Tap ability like Phenax does. I'd love him to have an ability like: "Creatures you control have ':tap:, Put a counter on target permanent for each type of counter on that permanent'" but then Kiora would be too broken. Since I live in Magical Yule land (because screw Christmas):

Kruphix, God of Time

3UB ~(I can't see him being cheap)~

Enchantment Creature - God


As long as your devotion to green and blue is less than seven, Kruphix isn't a creature.

Creatures you control have ":tap:, put a counter on target permanent for each type of counter on that permanent."


February 3, 2014 10:22 p.m.

@Ultimaodin Turning your whole team into a Vorel of the Hull Clade that can double the loyalty of planewalkers for free? I don't think I need to explain how incredibly broken that would be at 5 mana.

On a side note, I suspect Keranos will have something to do with Scrying, given that he is associated with prophecy and delivering visions of the future with his lightning storms.

February 3, 2014 11:11 p.m.

Ultimaodin says... #29

@BlastercoolWeird - Reread bro, it doesn't double. Only adds one counter of a given type. Also it should be 4UG... I stuffed up double on the cost. :/

February 3, 2014 11:19 p.m.

How about somethig like:

Keranos, God of Storms 2UR

Devotion clause (7)

Creatures you control have "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to an aponent, scry X, where X is the damage it dealt"


Whenever you deal combat damage to an opponent, scry X, where X is the amount of damage dealt to him/her.


February 4, 2014 12:35 a.m.

I also would LOVE to see something like this on Pharika:

Pharika, God of Potions 3BG

Devotion clause (7)

If Pharika isnt a creature, creatures your opponent control have -1/-1 and cant activate their abilities.

If Pharika is a creature, other creatures you control get +1/+1


February 4, 2014 12:50 a.m.

Or maybe even:

Whenever a creature you control dies, target player loses life equal to the creature's power, or you gan life equal to the creature's toughness.

This way, Pharika has synergy with both Nylea (pumps for better drain) and Erebos (they cant gain life, you get life to spend on more cards)

February 4, 2014 1:07 a.m.

Gitaxias86 says... #33

Most excited for keranos! Hoping he looks something like this:

Keranos, God of Epiphany 2URLegendary Enchantment Creature-GodIndestructibleIf your devotion to blue and red is less than 7, Keranos isn't a creature.Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may draw a card.5/5

February 4, 2014 2:51 a.m.

Gitaxias86 says... #34

Most excited for keranos! Hoping he looks something like this:

Keranos, God of Epiphany 2UR

Legendary Enchantment Creature-God


If your devotion to blue and red is less than 7, Keranos isn't a creature.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may draw a card.


February 4, 2014 2:53 a.m.

Korombos says... #35

As the god of time, I'm pretty hopeful that Kruphix will grant an extra turn somehow.

February 4, 2014 6:15 a.m.

@Ultimaodin Oh I see but that's...still super broken. Being able to just drop Kiora, the Crashing Wave after playing a dude each turn and immediately bring her up to ultimate range and then some? Being able to plus Elspeth, Sun's Champion and then ultimate her next turn just by tapping the tokens she makes? For essentially free?

also flavorfully it doesn't work well because so far Kruphix's various underlings don't seem to have anything to do with counters. So far none of the dual colored gods have had any synergy with their respective RTR guild mechanics.

February 4, 2014 4:28 p.m.

Schuesseled says... #37

Pharika, will likely have an ability to do with rengeneration or reanimation. Considering she is the god of healing.

February 4, 2014 5:12 p.m.

C3willuhz says... #38

@Rhinowarrior i think in journey to nyx, the "gods", will be sorcery or instant cards that make enchantments more OP... in theros they were single color with matching weapons. now theyre multi color meta enforcers, im thinking the next ones will be spells that are cheaper per devotion... im probly totally wrong but thats what im thinking. maybe tutor/wrath/tinker/blah effects that are originally over priced but get cheaper with devotion... idk

February 4, 2014 11:15 p.m.

@C3willuhz I don't see wizards changing up an iconic cycle of mythics 2/3rds of the way through. The Gods are meant to be enchantment creatures, and as someone who is exclusively playing enemy color combinations in their standard decks I would be beyond livid that my mythic gods end up overpriced wraths or tutors.

That being said your idea is totally viable as an unrelated cycle of rares/mythics in Journey, as demonstrated with Marshmist Titan .

February 4, 2014 11:47 p.m.

Ultimaodin says... #40

C3willuhz - I can't see that being the case, they'd have to be similar to the other minor Gods; plus I can imagine Kruphix being a "take an extra turn" sorcery and that would be OP since you could Easily cats him as a time walk. on turn 3 by running Burning-Tree Emissary.

I am a Simic Player and I'd honestly rather we not have a time walk in those colours. It would be way too broken.

BlastercoolWeird - I did say Magical Christmas Land.

What I can actually see Kruphix Being:

Kruphix, God of Time

2UG ~(I can't see him being cheap)~

Enchantment Creature - God


As long as your devotion to green and blue is less than seven, Kruphix isn't a creature.

Creatures you control have ":tap:, reveal the top card of your library, if it's a creature put it into your hand."


Will help make lands be on the top of deck for Courser of Kruphix and will fuel Prophet of Kruphix while granting card draw without being actual card draw (since simic is going to have a pain of a time vs the new black and white draw stoppers) and will help trigger inspired besides Kiora's follower. Not to mention give Kiora herself more of a meat shield.

February 5, 2014 12:20 a.m.

Ultimaodin says... #41

kept the tag I put in about cost :/ FAIL

February 5, 2014 12:21 a.m.

harryshootems says... #42

I think that the minor gods seem to be drifting away from RTR block and leaning more towards the next block. The BTG minor gods didn't seem to reveal much, but I suspect the JIN minor gods will hint a bit more at what is to come. And aside from Xenagos, they mostly felt a little underwhelming at first, but with the versatility of two colours become a lot stronger.

I'm thinking they would be more like this:

Iroas, God of Victory - 2(r)(w)

indestructible, devotion blahdy blah

Whenever a creature you control attacks, Iroas, God of Victory deals 1 damage to the defending player.


and people be like 'I am underwhelmed! I want Iroas, Mind Sculptor!' and then they realise that stuff like Brimaz and Elspeth give it huge potential, while also being a reasonable play in a boros deck

February 18, 2014 5:40 a.m.

Oletorpedo says... #43

I'm really looking forward to the U/G god, Kruphix. I absolutely love Courser of Kruphix and Prophet of Kruphix , so i hope that the god kind of wraps those to cards into one i a way.

February 18, 2014 9:41 a.m.

Zaktan says... #44

Athreos is the ferryman to the Underworld, so he'll -probably- have something to do with recursion/reanimation.

February 20, 2014 2:19 p.m.

Korombos, nice job on the art for Pharika! I cant wait to see her. If it's a her.

February 20, 2014 3:56 p.m.

I also think that we can't look to the RTR guilds to guess what the Journey Gods will have to offer. For example, think about how horribly Karametra, God of Harvests synergizes with the tokens / Populate theme of RTR's Selesnya, or how the trigger from Xenagos, God of Revels doesn't work with Bloodrush. Sure, Phenax, God of Deception mills, but when has Wizards not given Dimir some sort of mill theme?

For this reason, I doubt that the God I'm most looking forward to, Kruphix, will resemble an Indestructible (but less manipulable) Master Biomancer , or have anything to do with +1/+1 counters. He'll probably have an ability that, like Prophet of Kruphix and Courser of Kruphix , allows you to access the future in a manner of speaking. Something like "Creatures you control have tap: Scry 1" would work really well with both of his follower's abilities.

February 21, 2014 2:46 a.m.

Oletorpedo says... #47

I agree with ChrisHansonBiomancin. It wil have something to do with time manipulation. I will be disappointed if it turns out to be a "creatures you control gain tap: scry 1", but i think it will be something like it. "Scry X where X is that creaures power" on the other hand..

February 21, 2014 3:19 a.m.

Baycer says... #48

they have been trying Really hard to differentiate the U/G from theros and the SImic guild, not a single U/G card in theros/Botg has anything to do with +1/+1 counters. One thing i would love to see is this.

Kruphix, God Horizons 3UG

Legendary enchantment Creature - God


Devotion Blah blah

At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library, if it's a land card put it into play, otherwise put it into your hand.


having a Coiling Oracle every turn is a very green blue ability, ramp from green, draw from blue. Also it fits very well with the current simic, and has great synergy with Courser of Kruphix .

February 21, 2014 7:49 a.m.

Oletorpedo says... #49

That is a very good call Baycer! It's very U/G and fits well with both Courser of Kruphix and Prophet of Kruphix !

February 21, 2014 7:57 a.m.

That would be awesome Baycer!

February 21, 2014 7:59 a.m.

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