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Posted on Jan. 26, 2015, 6:10 a.m. by seuvius
I've noticed that this cards price has been increasing at a fairly quick rate,do you think it will raise much more in price or do you think I will stay around $10?
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #3
He's the new hotness in Standard, so he'll stay worth something for at least a while yet. He also has as-yet-unseen potential in both Modern and Legacy, where 4/5's for 2 are more common than 4/5's for 1 with upside.
January 26, 2015 8:31 a.m.
I honestly think that Tasigur is overhyped right now. Most of it is coming from him being in Gerrard Fabiano's deck that won the SCG Open this weekend. But he was a 2-of in the sideboard. I'm not convinced that a sideboard card is worthy of the hype he's getting.
January 26, 2015 8:38 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #5
I feel lucky I pre-ordered a playset of him off TCGplayer for $3.25 each.
January 26, 2015 9:02 a.m.
pookypuppy6 says... #6
Apologies for hijacking a thread, but it IS about 4/5s that can block Siege Rhinos: why is Reaper of the Wilds not talked about? I guess Siege Rhino gives you value straightaway and tramples over tokens, and Tasigur, the Golden Fang gives you cards, is the easiest to splash and fills any spot on the curve. But Reaper of the Wilds with the ability to avoid much removal and block and kill either of the above fellows seems really relevant to my young inexperienced Standard mind.
I run Sultai now with (currently) three Reaper of the Wilds, and I'm interested to hear if there are better options than her in those colours, including Tasigur.
January 26, 2015 9:43 a.m.
It's pretty simple: hype. If you have your playsets: now is the time to sell them. He will settle at around 5$.
I don't see him as a big player in any current Modern-Deck. Abzan has enough stupid 4/5 beaters and surely doesn't need another one. I don't think his ability provides what you're looking for in Rock anyways. I see him as a 1-of maybe I don't think his power-level is close to Siege Rhino as it has trample and the ETB effect is huge. I don't think he is as strong as Goyf, which can reach 5/6 easily and even 6/7 in some games. Also the difference between having 3 goyfs in your hand (which is one of the most awesome things ever) and 3 Tasigur (which isn't even close to good) is immense.
I don't know, for legacy it's hard to say. TC (as the other big Delve-card) was much more powerful in Legacy than in Modern because of the cheap 1cmc-cantrips and better overall card quality. He might be good in Shardless-Bug as Goyf 5-6. Also there isn't as much removal in Legacy to deal with him (besides Swords) as there is in Modern, where Dismember, Path to Exile and Maelstrom Pulse are run frequently.
Is he good: definitely. Better than goyf: bitch, please...
January 26, 2015 10:13 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #8
He's a lot better than Goyf in a number of common board states. He can easily cost 1 less mana, and Goyf doesn't draw you cards.
Most Goyfs top out at 4/5 (Instant, Sorcery, Creature, Land). Sometimes there's a 'Walker. Sometimes there's an artifact/enchantment. Most of the time there isn't.
Goyf is going to be more consistent in most cases, and also isn't Legendary. The point is, Tasigur does a lot of stuff that Goyf will never be able to do in a long game.
He's not going to be a $50 badass bomb, but discounting him as "meh" is a bad mindset right now.
January 26, 2015 11:32 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #9
I don't think he will ever be as good as goyf, but I can see him as having potential so don't write him off just yet as NobodyPicksBulbasaur said, I don't, however believe he is modern competitive...
January 26, 2015 12:56 p.m.
That's exactly what I said. Also having Tasigur draw you a Thoughtseize T8 is going to be great value for sure!
Also I didn't discount him as "meh". Or else my last statement wouldn't make any sense, would it? I just said the current price spike is due to hype and not due to solid performance in huge numbers in different decks.
January 26, 2015 2:25 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #11
I think its too early to know if its hype or not because he just hasnt seen solid performance in huge numbers in a variety of different decks.
Time will tell
January 26, 2015 2:48 p.m.
Here's my beef with all the Tasigur, the Golden Fang hype. As I said above, most of this hype is coming from Tasigur being in the winning decklist for the SCG Open in DC this weekend. But when we look at the decklist we see that tasigur isn't even in the maindeck. He is a sideboard card, and a 2-of at that. Furthermore, if you look at Gerard's path to the finals, he played 3 aggro decks in a row (Jeskai Aggro, Abzan Aggro, and then RW Aggro). Those types of decks have a hard time dealing with a 4/5 body as the main ways to remove it are Chained to the Rocks in the case of Jeskai/RW aggro, and Abzan Charm for the abzan aggro list. Aside from those, the decks will have to 2-for-1 themselves or double block him, greatly hampering their board state.
The other deck in the top 8 that ran Tasigur was a Sultai Ramp deck, which had 1 Tasigur maindeck and 0 in the sideboard. And he lost to a WU Heroic deck, but that's neither here nor there.
That said, I'm still willing to leave the door open that Tasigur, the Golden Fang could be good in Modern. I'm much more hesitant there, but we'll see if he sees any play come PT Fate Reforged. My final point, I don't think Tasigur is a $10 card right now, I think he's closer to $5-$8.
January 26, 2015 4:05 p.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #13
Tasigur, the Golden Fang has a spot as a one-of in the modern junk lists. He is a house with Scavenging Ooze cuz u can delve most of your fetchlands and other bad stuff from the early game away, exile the rest of the useless stuff with scooze, then you can activate his ability and get tremendous value. Along with scavenging ooze his ability is essentially return target card from your graveyard to your hand
January 26, 2015 4:30 p.m.
I think the hype is real here. He may not maintain the $10 price tag, but this card is extremely good. Where it eventually settles will likely depend on how much FRF is opened. Small set rares can maintain pretty high price tags (see: Courser of Kruphix).
January 26, 2015 11:07 p.m.
The hype is real. It was in 4 of the top 8 decks at the last scg open. In multiple archetypes. The 3rd place Azban aggro and the Azban Midrange, in addition to the sultai lists. It was more than just a sideboard card, seeing mainboard play. The problem is that is he's a legendary card and probably we will only see a max of 3 in any given deck. Ignore the sideboard chatter above. Ignoring the modern chatter also. He will see a bit of play there, but that's just a bonus. He'll settle around 8 and ride the 8-15$ band wagon during his time in standard, without modern play. Modern play won't drive it up much higher anyways.
But if you're planning on buying in, do it because you expect to play it. If you have them, trade them when the deal is right for you, before they rotate.
January 27, 2015 1:45 p.m.
Kirkkarnage says... #16
It was being played in a legacy deck in the open this weekend too. I think the hype is real. Lets see how it goes.
February 1, 2015 3:29 a.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #17
This card is a very important card that will see play for a very long time and he is increasing nearly a dollar a week, it's unfortunate if you didn't get in when he was 5.99 USD but he is still going to go up to probably an eventual 50, 60 bucks in 5 years. No I don't agree that this card is Tarmagoyf with it being a legend but it's an insane amount of value with Delve and won't ever be a bad card and there is a lot of decks in modern and legacy that will use and abuse this card for a really long time we've only seen the tip of the iceberg in the decks that can use it. Because it's a legend I don't anticipate a 100 or $200 price tag on this any time ever but I do see it reaching Liliana of the veil value , Especially foil. Not to mention commander any magic player any real magic player can see the insane value in this card.
February 10, 2015 12:52 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #18
ColdHeartedSith 50 or 60 bucks? Really? I don't believe he is going over 20 ever. Its second ability is ok, yes, but it just isn't so jaw-droppingly good it will ever reach Lili value...
February 10, 2015 12:55 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #19
He will continue to increase until such a time that wizards realizes hes better than their pet, Tarmogoyf and they ban him.
He could easily get up around 40-50 dollars in a few years barring he doesnt get banned which I think will happen before the end of 2015.
February 10, 2015 1:24 p.m.
I'll admit I was terribly wrong on this one. Tasigur is insane as Goyf 5 & 6.
February 10, 2015 1:25 p.m.
@PreZchoICE1 Tasigur will never replace goyf for 2 reasons. You can cast one or two for B but that's about it. It's legendary and sucks in multiples.
February 10, 2015 1:57 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #23
why do people forget that the legendary rule has been modified in that if you play a second copy of a given legendary it doesnt destroy both like it used to, you get to choose which one stays in play. In the case of Urborg, you tap the one in play for mana, then play the other untapped, choosing to destroy the tapped one. The same thing can be done with Tasigur, Anafenza or any other legendary you might run in multiples.
I never said it would replace Goyf, however in most circumstances it comes down for cheaper, and has a relevant ability, which goyf does not. Goyf can potentially be a little bit bigger but all that is balanced by the fact that Tasigur costs less most of the time.
Mark my words that it will get banned though.
February 10, 2015 2:10 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #24
The legend rule doesn't destroy anything. The extra permanents are put into their owner's graveyard as a state-based action. No destruction and no sacrifice.
Also, I don't think it's getting banned. At all.
February 10, 2015 2:16 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #25
Tarmogoyf>Tasigur, the Golden Fang!
Tasigur is not as good as goyf, he isn't going to get banned (most likely) and he probably won't rise over $20.
February 10, 2015 2:30 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #26
I went back the first page. I'm vaguely reminded of a hilarious old Economics thread. I hope this discussion doesn't become that outlandish.
February 10, 2015 2:54 p.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #27
@awesomeguy37 it dosn't matter what you think, good players know how to use him and his second ability is bonkers to those who are good at magic and building around it. Also he can be a 4/5 for 1 in some decks in addition. Since the contraversy created from dig through times ban as part of a summary execution based on fear brought on from cruise, wizards will be laying off banning cards with delve now for awile. Your comment reflects you don't play Tasigur and don't realize the power of his activated ability. Maybe you should watch some more Fabiano matches and see what your saying, he just won regionals this weekend too. In my comment I state this is the tip of the iceburg and he is seeing more and more modern and legacy play. Decks will crop up in those formats given time. My speculation is fair and from my researched point of veiw probable. P.S nobody posts their thoughts in here looking for an individual pointless argument that only time can prove right on or way off.
February 10, 2015 3:04 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #28
ColdHeartedSith on the contrary I think thats exactly what some users do.
February 10, 2015 7:34 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #29
ColdHeartedSith 'his second ability is bonkers to those who are good at magic'
THank you for that compliment, I obviously haven't picked up any gist of the game in the 4 years I have been playing so it isn't like I can actually understand which cards are great and which cards aren't, oh no! (sarcasm)
I never said Tasigur, the Golden Fang was bad. I just said that he is worse than Tarmogoyf. Also, I said that his price will probably not go as high as Liliana of the Veils because he was printed about 2-3 weeks ago, and a lot of FRF is being opened.so while there is demand, there is supply. Also FRF is a small set so you are more likely to get on than Liliana of the Veil.
Furthermore adding to my argument, Liliana of the Veil is better than tasigur. Sure he is a 4/5 for 1 potentially, but delving messes up goyf in the deck that want to run him and LIli doesn't touch the graveyard. She gives you removal, while he can draw you 1 card for 4 mana with downsides. She gives you discard power while he is a vanilla 4/5 body (no evasion). Also 10 decks have run Tasigur, and 1433 have run Lili in the past.
Also, I have watched PT FRF and there is no denying he is powerful. He is just not the best card in the decks that run him.
February 11, 2015 1:44 a.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #30
I think he will reach a lilliana price point in the future and given time in quite alot of decks old and new. The format is growing all the time. He is rising 1$ a week so far and demand is getting high for tassy. I never said he will go to 50-60.00 usd in his debut year but in 3 he will probably. Look at Griselbrands history and he was a 1 of in standard reanimator decks of the time. Time will tell, my advise is to invest in tasigur.
February 11, 2015 9:18 p.m.
CastleSiege says... #31
Well, I can't really give any input on how high I think Tasigur will go. However, I recently bought two left over seeded packs from my local shop for $3.99 each, each of which had a foil Tasigur. Needless to say I am happy with my purchase.
GoofyFoot says... #2
I think that, like shortly after all set releases, every worthwhile rare (and even some corner case ones) in the set will slowly (or rapidly) go up in price until the next standard GP, after which many prices will then dramatically change again, based on the representation of the cards at the event. Such is the way with all new sets.
Arrogant twat-ness aside, it's a 1-drop 4/5 that refills your graveyard and your hand, which is great for delving again as well as increasing your hand size at a continuous rate. he blocks Siege Rhino all day, the most relevant creature in standard. Black, as it was in theros, is still one of if not the most dominant color in standard at the moment. I think that covers enough of his relevance.
January 26, 2015 6:40 a.m.