[Primer]Teysa, Orzhov Scion

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Ripwater says... #1

Hey Fektoer

First of all very cool decklist! I kinda like the fact that you don't want to play the teysa combo. Im a bit in a struggle with my teysa deck (Orzhov Friends. It's no where near as streamlined as your deck is and I mostly started it because I wanted to make an Orzhov Superfriends deck (even tho I don't have green or blue). Turns out what started out as a joke, kinda rolled and I rolled with it. So I switched from Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim to Teysa, Orzhov Scion , only played the walkers that make tokens or support tokens.

So that's where I am now. I really like your list and I'm trying to pick up some ideas (your point on Grave Pact vs. Dictate of Erebos was super valid for example. I also saw that you only play Swords to Plowshares and no Path to Exile so I went with that as well.

I just have a few questions:

  1. How are Krav, the Unredeemed and Regna, the Redeemer working out for you? Do you have enough lifegain triggers for Regna to work out? Krav's value is hard to miss, but I'm affraid he is a bit costly. The only thing why I dig them is because I try to have a bit of a legendary theme in it. Regna I ran in a Karlov of the Ghost Council deck and she was often on the list to be cut, cause she was so high in mana.
  2. You are not running a lot of removal. Hardly any boardwipes and you rely more on Teysa to do the removal for you. Of course there are a few other creatures (Elesh and Massacre Wurm), but do you have the feeling you can control the boardstate enough?
  3. You don't run the usual suspects of Blood Artist , Zulaport Cutthroat and the new Cruel Celebrant . You don't have the feeling you miss them? They do provide triggers for Regna for example.
  4. You don't run a lot of sac outlets, to generate tokens. Can you get enough value out of Teysa?

If you want it would mean a lot to me if you could have a look at my list. Cause I have the feeling I'm mostly just staring anymore and a new opinion would help a lot :)

May 16, 2019 7:28 p.m.

Fektoer says... #2

Hiya, thanks for the compliments. You do touch on some issues with the deck that are somewhat hard to fix but let's go through your points:

1) They are mainly in there for sheer fun. I like legendary stuff, Krav is a slamdunk in the deck for its abilities, Regna is a pretty angel. That being said, they are high on mana and especially Regna can be a bit lackluster. However, you should read them as "Krav, do awesome stuff, draw Regna". "Regna: meh, draw Krav". I'm never sad when I draw either of them. Either I draw Krav and the Regna I get out it is just gravy or i draw Regna (which is still a 4/4 white flyer with upside) that tutors for Krav.

2) I run: Teysa, Gearhulk, Elesh Norn, Massacre Wurm, Plaguelord, Anguished Unmaking, Vindicate, StP, Return to Dust, Tragic Arrogance, Attrition, Dictate, Abyss and Parallax Wave for removal. That's 2 board wipes (gearhulk and arrogance), 2 conditional wipes (Elesh norn and massacre wurm), 1 onesided wipe (parralax wave). Stuff generally dies. You don't want many board wipes in a board-centric strategy as this one. I could play Damnation but that only plays fine from behind, you don't really want to play that when even or ahead. Imagine having a decent boardstate and someone else plays Avenger of Zendikar. Suddenly I have to sacrifice everything just to halt that player. Gearhulk and Arrogance fix that very neatly on top of disrupting players that rely on too many permanents of the same sort. Granted, they will cost you some enchantments most of the time.

3) They are very low impact that rely on either going infinite (which I don't like) or a commanding boardstate (why are you not winning at that point). Imagine it being turn 9 or something and you draw... a 0/1 that drains the opponent a few times. They do trigger Regna but i'd rather find a card that is useful while also gaining life.

4) True, I'd love for a few more sac outlets but the ones that are free are very low impact (for example Viscera Seer) and more combo-centric. I use to have Ayli in the deck and she might find a spot again but she's not impactful either on top of being expensive in use (this deck is mana hungry). I really hope for a card that fits in one of the other categories while also having a sac outlet but most of the times those cards are balanced by making the it cost "2B: sac a creature, do something" like Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet.

Just as a generic comment, don't take my list as the best version of Orzhov midrange. Just because I don't play Path to Exile, doesn't mean I have something against the card and therefore you shouldn't either. Truth is, I'd love to play the card but I've stuffed so much in this deck that I have no idea what to cut to make room for it. Same with more sac outlets or pretty much any card in the extensive update history that you can read through. If I had the space, they would probably be in there. It's a curse (I want to play em all) and a blessing (my deck keeps evolving).

May 20, 2019 10:18 a.m.

Amyas says... #3

Getting Krav, the Unredeemed and Regna, the Redeemer out at the same time is amazing with her spitting out tokens non stop off his sac draw life gain. I have pulled it off a few times. I have also pulled off some amazing control via exiling with Tysa off the white tokens.

May 20, 2019 11:32 a.m.