Combo decks are the best decks. Period. Not necesarily the most competitive, but the best.

But to trully understand this, you need to understand the different types (and subtypes) of combo decks.

Engines are the very best kind of combo decks. They require effort to play, suspense (will I be able to draw that Second Sunrise ?) and have a high level of interest. Let's break them down.

Engines break down into three main subtypes: - Mana Engines (Krark-Clan-Ironworks) - Untap Engines (Jeskai Ascendency) - Recursion engines (Second Sunrise) (You can argue Grishoalbrand should be on here, I choose to exclude it from this list because it really didn't fit with the rest of them. Also, you can include Waste Not , but it hasn't proven itself in the modern metagame, even if I belive it has potential.)

The Similarities Between Them: All of them need mana/cost reduction to work. All of them have a way for new cards to enter the combo equasion. All of them have cards with additional synergy with their build-around.(i.e. Ichor Wellspring : KCI Fatestitcher : JA.) And all of them have recursion (If they use the graveyard. Exeption: Paradox Engine ). To sum it up: All of them need Mana, Recursion, and Cards. The deck building just depends on what your Engine of choice already provides.

The Differences: Only Mana Engines can actually produce mana themselves, other Engine type decks have to rely on other sources. This decreaases consistency slightly, as you have to find multiple pieces to combo off. Typically they are more powerful to make up for the fact (WoTC hates printig Mana Engines it seems). Mana Engines typically don't play many creatures, where Untap Engines typically want to play as many as possible. Typically both Mana Engines and Untap Engines care more about certain types then Recursion engines, but recursion engines will typically play mostly one type of card because it is more efficient for the deck. Recursion engines are the most swingy (vary greatly in deck buiilding) and least popular kind of combo deck overall. (Typically, Wizards dosn't print many competitive recursion engines. Unless of course, you built 100% competitive roar of reclimation that is.) Also, sometimes Mana Engines will play infinite combos, this dosen't make them a Hybrid though, because they have many more ways to draw cards.

These are without a doubt, the most boring kind of combo decks in existance. But they also have a habbit of winning. Let's break them down.

Infinite Combos break down into (again) three main subtypes. 1. Kiki-Combos (Includes 4c-CopyCat) 2. CoCo Combos 3. Graveyard Combos (i.e. Bubble Hulk, Necrotic Ooze .) 4. Ad-Nauseam Combo (I choose to include Ad-Nauseam because it is essentially an infinite combo.) 5. Gift's Storm (I choose to include Gifts storm becuase it really is a two card combo, once they cast gifts with a manabear you are going to die, if you have no interaction or taxes that is.)

The Similarities Between Them: The most popular infinite combos are all creature based. Of course there are plenty of infinite combos without creatures, but the ones with Chord of Calling have an instant speed tutor for their combo piece, that even puts it onto the battlefield. They all require no more then 3 cards, exepting Bubble Hulk (What a terrible name!), which really only counts as 2.

The Differences: Co-Co combos are harder to win the game on the spot with, because typiacally they need 3 pieces (i.e. Devoted Druid +vizier of remidies+Walking balista.) This hasn't hindered them yet as they can still beat you down normally. Ad Nauseam combo and Graveyard Combos can't win fairly. Most of the creature based decks have their combo pieces, and then they have their Knight of the Reliquary and Kitchen Finks . But Graveyard decks and Ad-N are more foucused on comboing off then backup plans. They are typically less resistent to hate.

Hybrids are typically the worst decks in competivity and I can't decided where they go in terms of enjoyment.

I haven't really found many examples of hybrids in MTG, but, the characteristics of Hybrids is very few (4-8) ways to get new cards in the combo, and they use a mana/untap/etc. engine to fuel 3+ infinite card combos. They usally don't relly on drawing more cards, more so just having the infinite combo. This makes them probably the worst kind in terms of winning.

1. Second Breakast: A compleatly degenerate win perentage, and all that work and suspence to get there. (BANNED) 2. KCI: Same as above. (BANNED) 3. Jeskai Ascendancy : Mostly the same, ut number 3 because it's win percentage is not as high and you have less recursion/explosive plays.

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However, maybe helm works slightly differently?

July 10, 2021 3:19 p.m.

Omniscience_is_life: Hmm, seems unlikley considering Helm of Obedience + Leyline of the Void is an inf mill combo

July 10, 2021 3:19 p.m.

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Alright, first off, welcome to modern!

Asumming you are going for the most powerful list you can make with a decent budget?

If you aren't going semi-budget (and maybe even if you are), I'd certainly add some better lands for fixing mana.

After a quick look at your list, here are a few obervations:

You have no cheap removal, and all your countermagic starts at three mana. This can be too slow on the draw to put up much of a fight. (Consider cheaper efficient removal and counterspells, such as Path to Exile , Force of Negation maybe even Solitude )

You are playing some spells that are rather inefficient at their job ( Azorius Charm , Muddle the Mixture , Render Silent , Sphinx's Revelation , Send to Sleep , Narset Transcendent , and Silence . I understand the appeal of the scepter lock, but it's honestly rather bad against most decks in modern. I'd probably play Scepter by itself without Silence just as value, but it's slow and not very flexible still.) With this is mind, here are some more suggestions:

Negate is worse Dovin's Veto in U/W control

You are missing the one of the best counterspells in modern right now, Archmage's Charm . This is easily a four of do to it's flexibility and power. Cryptic Command is not far behind either, and I would probably utilize it over Narset Transcendent .

Narset, Parter of Veils is decent if you expect slower metas.

Short on time here, so I'm going to link a solid U/W control list for you to look at.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4081666#paper

This one has a bit of a focus on the miracle mechanic, so there are a few cards you probably wouldn't play in a non miracle list. (Still a very solid deck though, and if you want to have fun with it you can add a Riptide Laboratory :P )

July 6, 2021 7:08 p.m.

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