Garruk Relentless in a mono green EDH deck
Asked by Obahai 13 years ago
Is Garruk Relentless Flip Flip and Garruk, the Veil-Cursed Flip legal in a mono green EDH deck?
mozerdozer says... Accepted answer #2
Incorrect. For transform cards, both sides contribute to the color identity for an EDH deck.
Q: Can I run Garruk Relentless in a mono-green Commander deck?
A: Nope. Color identity counts both faces of a double-faced card, and it counts color indicators. Even though Garruk Relentless is a green card in every zone and never a black card until he's transformed, Commander color identity rules peek at the other face and get frowny.
From http://mtgsalvation.com/1319-cranial-insertion-the-title-without-a-pun.html
October 17, 2011 8:55 p.m.
mozerdozer is correct.
Garruk, the Veil-Cursed Flip 's color identity is Green and Black, denoted by the color identifier on his Type bar.
October 17, 2011 10:04 p.m.
surely it should be legal, as u dont have to actually play black mana to play garruk, he becomes black but his mana is green
October 18, 2011 1:41 a.m.
well the same could be said for Doomgape for example can be cast for mono green but certainly is green/black. i am sure your mates will allow you an in house ruling letting you play him as he isn't broken so i don't think it will upset anyone planeswalkers get nuked instantly in EDH anyways just put in Primeval Titan instead lol i love him!
October 18, 2011 3:43 a.m.
@wetapthat: Color is defined my more than what mana symbols are in the casting cost... and stop calling me Shirley.
October 18, 2011 1:22 p.m.
@Maiden77 Doomgape is both green and black, due to the hybrid symbol. Even the color of the card is green/black.
October 18, 2011 10:23 p.m.
yeah i know but similar theory behind it i think that it should be allowed if you can physically cast it tbh but Garruk Relentless Flip Flip is clearly green black in the same way it just hasn't got black in his cost because his black side has no cost
October 19, 2011 3:09 a.m.
Flip sides have a color identifier which defines their colors. This is the little colored circle on the bar next to the type of the card. See: Ravager of the Fells Flip Flip = Red and Green.
August 16, 2012 11:03 p.m.
To add to this: Withengar Unbound is a black demon, despite Elbrus, the Binding Blade being colorless. I couldn't put Elbrus in a colorless deck, for example.
April 24, 2014 9:23 p.m.
cyborg_huey says... #13
But by this same logic you should not be able to play anything that produced an off-color token in the deck. Such as Rapid Hybridization without green or any of the living weapons in anything that didn't have black.
May 18, 2014 8:42 p.m.
That's not the same logic, though. We're talking about what gives a card color identity.
Tokens aren't cards, so they don't have color identity. They can certainly be colored, but that isn't checked for color identity, which are two different things.
By YOUR logic, things like Kor Firewalker would be both White AND Red which is clearly not the case.
May 18, 2014 11:44 p.m.
cyborg_huey says... #15
Well no, my problem was with the color of the token itself not the color word on the card.
Why don't tokens have a color identity?
May 19, 2014 12:20 a.m.
Because they aren't technically cards.
Color identity is just a term used to describe and classify cards primarily for EDH. There are no cards that directly reference color identity as a term except for Command Tower and Opal Palace , both of which obviously only work in EDH games.
Color identity is only determined by any colored mana symbols found in a card's cost and/or color indicator circle AND any colored mana symbols found in its rules text (but not in reminder text). Therefore, Forest has a Green color identity, Blind Obedience has a mono White color identity, and Boros Reckoner has a Red and White color identity.
This determines if you can use a card under a given Commander's color identity. Blind Obedience could be used in a Kemba, Kha Regent deck, for example, but it's color identity is only White and nothing else.
May 19, 2014 12:56 a.m.
Emperor_Jim says... #17
tokens do have a color identity, the identity is based on the producer. Take Armada Wurm For example. It produces a Green Wurm token. Or Seller of Songbirds who produces a white bird.
August 17, 2014 10:50 p.m.
Yes, but tokens do not exist prior to entering the battlefield. Color identity is only checked for deck construction. When you build the deck you need to consider color identity. Tokens do not exist until gameplay has already begun. So, my mono-black could conceivably produce a green snake token or a blue squid token.
By your logic, I wouldn't be able to take control of a non-color identity creature from another player via effects like Mind Control
.
August 19, 2014 9:05 p.m.
nickmavrick says... #19
it says that the cards mana identity is any mana symbost that appear on the card, bith sides. Garruk Relentless Flip does not have any black mana symbols on the card, so therefore is allowed.
October 15, 2016 2:30 p.m.
No, he is not. His back half is a black card, as indicated by the little circle. Well, black and green. He is only allowed in decks that allow both black and green. Google that shit. It's the same reason you can't include Elbrus in a non-black deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/305735-garruk-relentless-in-edh
More on this here. I took all of 3 seconds to Google this exact situation. You're welcome.
RiotMaker says... #1
Yes. The black mana symbol is not on the side of Garruk, the Veil-Cursed Flip
October 17, 2011 8:44 p.m.