Fleecemane Lion questions.
Asked by TheWoogaknight 10 years ago
I'm a naya modern player and have a few questions concerning the Fleecemane Lion card.
Monstrosity is at instant speed correct? Meaning I can use the ability in response to other cards/effects from my opponent?
Situations concerning Fleecemane Lion :I cast Fleecemane Lion , in response my opponent cast a card that would 'counter' it (such as Cancel ), can I put the Monstrosity 1 ability on the stack? IF so, what would happen?Does Fleecemane Lion no longer become an available target or does the ability still resolve because it's on the stack?
Auras that already have been put on Fleecemane Lion from my opponent previous turns will not fall off, or at least that's what I have been told. This is correct? Fleecemane Lion would already been enchanted and the cards would have resolved by the time I get to use Monstrosity 1. Now if I do the effect in response will that stop the aura from attaching? (Such as Arrest )
Once Fleecemane Lion is Monstrous what cards can effect it from my opponent?
Putting a +1/+1 Counter on Fleecemane Lion from another card and not Monstosity (such as Common Bond ) does not give it Monstrous correct?
hyperlocke says... #2
1: Yes, you can activate it at instant speed.
2: No, Monstrosity requires it to be a permanent. It's on the stack, so it isn't a permanent. You can't activate its ability.
3: The auras don't fall off. If you activate its ability in response to a targeted spell (eg an aura spell), it will be an illegal target when the spell resolves. The aura will not attach.
4: Cards that don't target. Wrath of God or Cyclonic Rift with Overload for example.
5: Putting a counter on it (except with its own ability) will not make it monstrous.
October 5, 2013 4:23 p.m.
hyperlocke says... #3
Oh yeah, Fleecemane Lion is indestructible... scratch that Wrath of God .
October 5, 2013 4:24 p.m.
TheWoogaknight says... #4
Giant thank you for the quick response, some people at our local gaming/card shop would still like to know of some examples that would deal with Fleecemane Lion once he is Monstrous. If you can think of any off the top of your head that would be awesome.
October 5, 2013 4:25 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
Regarding #3, if a spell's targets are all illegal, the spell will be countered as a state-based action. It won't resolve.
Regarding #4, Fleecemane Lion is indestructible once monstrous, so Wrath of God won't do anything to it.
Regarding #5, the counter is not relevant to the monstrous status of Fleecemane Lion . The counter isn't what makes the permanent monstrous.
October 5, 2013 4:25 p.m.
hyperlocke says... #6
Merciless Eviction , Mutilate , overloaded Mizzium Mortars , sacrifice effects. Detention Sphere when there is a second non-monstrous Fleecemane Lion on the battlefield.Or kill it while it isn't monstrous.
October 5, 2013 4:44 p.m.
hyperlocke says... #7
Oh man, I'm off my game today... Mizzium Mortars won't do the trick. Use Cyclonic Rift like stated above.
October 5, 2013 4:47 p.m.
hyperlocke says... #8
Also, mass bounce: AEtherize , Devastation Tide , Dromar, the Banisher , Evacuation , Inundate , Waterspout Elemental , but these aren't in Standard (except AEtherize ).
October 5, 2013 4:55 p.m.
TheWoogaknight says... #9
One last serious question that I didn't think about.
My opponent uses an aura on my Fleecemane Lion while it isn't Monstrous.I use Monstrous (not on the stack), followed by Oblivion Ring the aura.My opponent on his next turn destroys Oblivion Ring , at that point does the enemy aura no longer have a legal target?
October 5, 2013 5:13 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #10
No. The aura will enter the battlefield as a new object and be attached to an object that meets its enchanting restrictions. This is not a targeted process. Auras only target as spells.
October 5, 2013 5:16 p.m.
TheWoogaknight says... #11
Okay, so that clears up most situations I'll be running into.
Giant thank you again for the quick responses.
October 5, 2013 5:20 p.m.
infinitemana says... #12
Also, cards that make your opponent sacrifice creatures can deal with the lion, like Geth's Verdict or Liliana of the Veil
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
Unless otherwise specified by either the ability or an effect, you can activate an ability whenever you have priority. Monstrosity doesn't have any such restrictions, so it's instant speed.
Situation 1: Fleecemane Lion is still a spell when your opponent casts Cancel . You can't activate monstrosity. Unless otherwise specified, abilities of permanent cards function only while those cards are permanents (i.e. while they're on the battlefield). Monstrosity can't be activated from the stack. Even if it could, hexproof doesn't function on the stack.
Situation 2: Auras only target as spells. They don't target at any other time. Hexproof will prevent an opponent's aura spells from targeting Fleecemane Lion and it will cause their aura spells targeting Fleecemane Lion to fizzle, but it won't cause auras to fall off Fleecemane Lion .
Hexproof only prevents spells and abilities your opponents control from targeting your Fleecemane Lion . Indestructible only prevents destruction. Anything that isn't concerned by either of those abilities can still affect Fleecemane Lion .
Monstrous is a status, and it isn't tied to +1/+1 counters. The monstrosity ability would give Fleecemane Lion monstrous status even if it couldn't put a +1/+1 counter on Fleecemane Lion . Putting a +1/+1 counter on Fleecemane Lion won't make it monstrous.
October 5, 2013 4:17 p.m.