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3 months ago
Since you are playing Tatyova, Benthic Druid what about Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait . I dont know if you want the landfall ability in your deck but there are a lot more great inclusions to make in a simic deck. While being on this whole Landfall thingy, Pearl Lake Ancient works then very nice.
I think Reality Shift is not bad but Ravenform should be a better fit here, also there is Rapid Hybridization Since you are already playing big bad creatures what about a good ol' Hadana's Climb Flip Since you are short on removal what about big bad Terastodon , yes it will bounce back with your very flavourfull boardwhipe Whelming Wave but afterall, that's something good, so you can replay it ;) Dont underestimate the value of a Krosan Grip , Splitsecond can catch people on the wrong foot, interrupting combos.
Talking about Whelming Wave why not double down and put a Cyclonic Rift in there aswell? Or for flavour this guy: Kederekt Leviathan . Or something rather stupid: Aethersquall Ancient and since you are most likely to be behind on board i'd slam an Evacuation right in there aswell. And maybe even one River's Rebuke and a Coastal Breach even Inundate should be fine here.
Kodama of the East Tree seems like a good fit here, to cheat out some of the expensive stuff when you cast another one already, also works on lands. Something that works similar would be Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty . More on the topic cheating the mana cost, what about an Elvish Piper or a Quicksilver Amulet
Something protective is always good Thryx, the Sudden Storm
Your carddraw seems to be based on playing creatures with Garruk's Uprising and Elemental Bond (which is better in your deck because of it's Synergy with the tokens from Koma, Cosmos Serpent . But you can double down on that with cards like Guardian Project , Beast Whisperer , and The Great Henge . Colossal Majesty works similar to you but since you are ablte to include very high CMC stuff just slam a Zendikar Resurgent in there aswell.
Now to some more flavour which might not be good, but flavour you know? Kiora Bests the Sea God
and last something very special, you are already very high in CMC, why not double down and play a Keruga, the Macrosage , you can double down and play it as your companion, that'd be fun. You wont miss out on too much. A lot of it is also available in 3CMC like Disallow , Saw It Coming , Simic Locket or Search for Tomorrow Some cards have CMC 3 but you can still do stuff on turn 1 and 2 ;) but that's up to you and how much you want to go down that road of memes and shattered dreams.
Lands looks fine, but since you are able to untapp some lands, maybe use a Lotus Field or atleast a Castle Garenbrig . Since your Devotion can be very high at somepoint Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx but be worth it.
11 months ago
Vash13 I appreciate your opinion. However like Optimator mentions, granting white card advantage through card draw or another way is not deconstructing the color pie. Moreso every other color has access to direct card draw or a very similar mechanic, so what's the reason to keep white out of it?
It also sounds rich to say "keep the color pie intact" while there are so many dips from each color into another color's design space. Blue's thing was that they couldn't interact very well with the board, as in lacking hard removal and board wipes. Then a load of them gets printed with Inundate, Cyclonic Rift, River's Rebuke to deal with large boards - which I think is fine for the Commander format and something mono blue needed (with a possible exception of Cyclonic Rift that simply covers too much). As for hard removal there's still Reality Shift and Curse of the Swine that even covers white's standard removal counter and replaces them with some meaningless tokens or Imprisoned in the Moon as one of the better Commander removal options. And there is many similar cases for the other colors.
Keep in mind that this thread is mainly aimed at Commander so it's not necessarily Standard you need to consider, but of course the suggestions have to keep at least Legacy and Vintage in mind. If we find a suitable and flavorful way to grant white card advantage that doesn't break constructed in any sense, then it could even be introduced in a Standard legal set. And there's only so much design space for WotC to explore within the given confines of that color's current design space. Adding new mechanics could be a way to keep the game moving and fresh.
I deleted a rather lengthy segment to keep with my own condition to keep discussion on whether or not to give White card advantage to a minimum and focus on suggesting ways to grant white card advantage that is flavorful and could be considered within their color pie.
If you don't believe white should get card draw, perhaps you can find an alternative route to grant white more card advantage? Like Gidgetimer said before card draw is not the only way to get access to more cards/resources.
1 year ago
I've been absent from the topic for a while, I find it best to let the thoughts at the time of writing settle down and then revisit with a fresh mind.
Gidgetimer First of all I don't agree about white's lack of card draw in the Commander format is a content creator conjured issue. Content creators are just a very broad place I can refer to as a common platform where people share their beliefs. And I wanted to not only resort to the anecdotal experiences of me and my play group. Although for reference, most players in my play group agrees that white is the weakest singular color in Commander and one of those reasons is lack of card draw.
It may be a slight miscommunication but the thread could easily be about card advantage and not specifically card draw. I've made several of the suggestions in the OP not be direct card draw but rather an ability to access more card resources (like through the graveyard). So feel free to post ideas about mechanics that enables card advantage but not strictly through card draw.
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One of the major problems I find in white's card advantage pool is that white doesn't use many mechanics that effectively enables alternative card advantages. I mentioned they don't do draw-discard, they don't self-mill, they don't discard their own hand or in pretty much any capacity put their own cards into other zones other than the battlefield. From the battlefield they may put cards back into their hand if they die or self-bounce or flicker. They do have a selection of cards that resurrects permanents from the graveyard. However in recent times this has mainly been reduced to target low CMC permanents and their unconditional resurrections costs 4+ CMC, first of all that hardly cheats the mana cost and often it's a 1-for-1 trade, so no card advantage and no inherent mana value. White usually has to hard cast their big stuff to put them on the field and THEN it has to die and THEN they can use their recursion effects to get mana value. It's very clunky.
You point to the fact that white likes to equalize the board, mostly through board wipes. Although black seems to do the job just as well or better with Toxic Deluge, Mutilate, Languish, Black Sun's Zenith, Killing Wave, or Damnation. Most of these working around indestructible which can be a big factor if the opponent run cards like Heroic Intervention or one of the variants.
Red has cards like Blasphemous Act or Chain Reaction that works as damage board wipes. Blasphemous Act might even be considered better than white board wipes due to the mana reduction but generally white is better than red at wiping the board.
Green is kinda at a loss because their color doesn't really do board wipes and usually just resorts to taking out problems with Fight or the occasional Whirlwind, Hurricane, or the odd Ezuri's Predation. Green usually "fixes" the problem by applying enough pressure through their own creatures to require board wipes.
Blue has gained a lot of soft board wipes like Inundate, Evacuation, River's Rebuke and the all time favorite Cyclonic Rift. While not a final removal choice, the tempo and flexibility it provides can be more than enough for blue to pull ahead or win.
And after a board wipe, unless the white player has been planning or specifically played up to a board wipe, they lose a lot of resources themselves to a board wipe. But where other colors have access to good and fast card draw or equivalent, white is kinda stuck with the cards they have. They have a harder time rebuilding.
I wont go into the topic of mass land destruction, for one because of the social aspect of Commander and secondly because WotC haven't printed a new white mass LD spell since the early phases of the game - a point where the does and don'ts of the game was not quite established (looking especially at you Time Walk). There's one exception being Fall of the Thran which may just be a callback to the Urza block, and it has a soft-remedy. Cards that blows everything sky high usually includes "Nonland permanents" or in the cases of Elspeth Tirel and Scourglass exclude lands from their destruction.
This kinda sums up my point:
Overall I don't see white always coming out of a board wipe having equalized the card access/advantage. And even if that was true it reads like white is always behind up until the point that they equalize. That doesn't seem like a good position to be in.
1 year ago
I tend to always add more removal than needed but atm I think I only see one boardwipe in Devastation Tide.
I'd add another one or two of these that I think within your budget; Curse of the Swine for targeted exile removal; Evacuation is straightforward, simple, and can be played as an instant; Inundate there's only a few of your creatures that aren't blue; or River's Rebuke can really hose someone with your Ninjutsu theme.
1 year ago
Return of the Wildspeaker , Prime Speaker Zegana , Rishkar's Expertise , Rush of Knowledge , Shamanic Revelation , Finale of Revelation , Praetor's Council, Feed , Soul's Majesty , Colossal Majesty , Elemental Bond , Guardian Project are good at drawing cards in this deck.
Your deck wants to ramp heavily, try adding a balance of early game ramp that costs 2-4 CMC and late game ramp that costs 5+ CMC, some good early ramp options include Farseek , Rampant Growth , Grow from the Ashes , Skyshroud Claim , Circuitous Route , Myriad Landscape , Burgeoning , Blighted Woodland . Good late game ramp options are Traverse the Outlands , Boundless Realms . Since your commander is CMC 4 you want any 1 or 2 CMC ramp to get it out on turn 3 at the latest but after that artifact ramp is much more fragile than land ramp so try to avoid it.
Note that Simic Guildgate is a good addition if you include Circuitous Route.
Fierce Empath can tutor any of your giant creatures.
Lurking Predators can make it really scary for opponents to play any spells.
With enough ramp, X spells can be particularly impactful, Finale of Devastation can search for any creature and it's not hard to get X=10+ to win the game, Genesis Wave is one of the premier green X spells,
Freed from the Real and Pemmin's Aura both create infinite with your commander. It's your choice if you want to include these cards though, they're not for every playgroup and don't fit the theme of your deck.
Here is the gatherer search for sea monsters there are enough of them that you should be able to have all of your sea monsters have some impact on the board, there are also some that might be better than the ones you currently have.
1 year ago
Baral, Chief of Compliance needs to be maindeck.
1 year ago
Chulane has caused Overburden to spike.
Inundate is a mono blue staple.