Conspiracy: Take the Crown Spoiler Thread
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Posted on Aug. 10, 2016, 11:09 a.m. by GoldGhost012
We officially have our first Conspiracy: Take the Crown card!
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Kaya, Ghost Assassin 
Planeswalker - Kaya
0: Exile Kaya, Ghost Assassin or up to one target creature. Return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the beginning of tour next upkeep. You lose 2 life.
-1: Each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
-2 Each opponent discards a card and you draw a card.
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Conspiracy: Take the Crown Information
Code: CN2
Release Date: August 26th, 2016
Cards: 221
DiamondFlavor says... #2
I don't feel that Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast needs an artifact-heavy shell to be effective in Commander. He's pretty much just good stuff in any RB(x) deck.
His +1 is always useable as a chump block at the least. It's also fodder to fuel stax, sacrifice, and Skullclamp. You don't need to care about artifacts to use the tokens for Victimize, Purphoros, God of the Forge, etc.
His -1 is fueled by his +1. Sure, it's slow that way, but he's also a 3 drop and it's unconditional removal of artifacts or enchantments. There will be plenty of situations where it's worth throwing the Fellwar Stone you tapped to play him at an opponent's Sol Ring.
His ult is fine. Again, you don't need to be in an artifact-focused deck to have access to decent artifacts. Just copying rocks will do fine. But it's generally negligible, especially if you don't care about it, because just alternating +1 and -1 gives you a fair bit of control.
August 22, 2016 4:43 p.m.
Yeah, Daretti doesn't really need to be in an artifact shell, I suppose. He suffers from the vulnerable planeswalker syndrome in a multiplayer format, but could be good.
August 22, 2016 5:15 p.m.
I kinda like this
At worst you'll probably get a creature and a land (in 1v1), but you might get much, much more. I mostly play multiplayer edh; so this could be a real bomb!
August 22, 2016 6:04 p.m.
DarkLaw I took this straight from the announcement page.
This set is designed for eight-player drafts followed by free-for-all games of three to five players each.
Granted, every set like this is meant for draft, but that's really the pride and joy of Conspiracy. I can't make it any clearer than some of the cards that LITERALLY say "When you draft X...do X."
It was a given this set would be a good time for reprints, but they didn't just shove craploads of reprints that don't make sense. The only card that really doesn't make sense is Inquisition of Kozilek. Either way, I'm not going to change your mind but I've laid out the facts. Do with them as you will.
August 22, 2016 6:28 p.m.
DrFunk27 Considering that you just ignored everything I said, I doubt that I'll convince you of anything.
August 23, 2016 3:46 a.m.
DarkLaw Ignored? Hardly. Conspiracy is marketed for draft. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. So my assumption and implication is it based on opinion but rather what wizards has directly stated. This argument is stupid anyways.
August 23, 2016 12:47 p.m.
DarkLaw and DrFunk27. Must we argue? Can we not simply just enjoy a new set and some cool reprints? Not everything needs to be over-analyzed to death. Let the story team sort out the lore, not every card has to match.
August 23, 2016 12:53 p.m.
Zaueski I'm arguing the reason for the set and it's mechanics, that's all. Not about reprints, etc but yes, I agree. This argument is tediuous and stupid. I'm excited for the set and I can't wait to use the new keyword abilities.
August 23, 2016 1:06 p.m.
DrFunk27 I find it hard to believe that Wizards stated, in no uncertain terms, that the only theme that this set is geared towards is "draft matters".
Besides, if we are using the wonderful word "marketed", a definition of "market" is to advertise or promote something, which is clearly being done in the case of reprints.
I agree with one thing though: this debate is too long and tedious for me to even remember why we were discussing this.
Yeah, the set is great, but I don't particularly enjoy buying boosters unless it is incredibly likely to get you some good value. I love the set for reprinting some cards which really needed it though. I can only hope that the trend repeats.
August 23, 2016 3:41 p.m.
Faceless_Being Hahahahaha who's arguing? I'm not. I'm right, he's wrong. No argument needed. Lmao
August 23, 2016 6:07 p.m.
AwezomePozzum says... #13
DrFunk27, that sounds suspiciously like something a toddler would say. Take your argument elsewhere. We need to be discussing Conspiracy here, not flaming at each other.
August 23, 2016 8:32 p.m.
AwezomePozzum I'm sorry, I forgot to add the /s. Good grief, it's not a big deal. I've neither flamed or insulted anyone once in our conversation. People can disagree and have an argument without it getting out of control. Jesus. #movealong
August 23, 2016 9:08 p.m. Edited.
AwezomePozzum says... #15
DrFunk27: I was being a bit exxagerated, i'll admit. It's just that your argument was taking up half of the last two pages, and this thread needs room for other things. Sorry about that. #movingalong
August 23, 2016 9:11 p.m.
lazarusdraigon says... #16
Can't wait to be an aggressive political edh player with queen marchesa!!!
August 23, 2016 9:31 p.m.
xtopazinferno says... #17
Can someone explain voting for me? What are you voting for and why not just vote against your opponents? I've never played Conspiracy before so I don't understand
August 23, 2016 9:40 p.m.
BlueMageBrandon says... #18
Kaya Promo. All foil versions will be this art!
August 23, 2016 10:19 p.m. Edited.
xtopazinferno You vote when someone plays a card that has two options. Lets say someone plays a card that makes you vote for either draw or turns. For each draw vote, they draw a card, for each turns card they take an extra turn. You basically want to vote for the lesser evil. Because unless specified otherwise, the effect only applies to them.
August 23, 2016 10:27 p.m.
You can also vote for the greater evil if you want to play politics.
August 24, 2016 3:31 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #21
NicolBolas666 so when I pull her as a random foil I'll get a different artwork?
August 24, 2016 3:52 a.m.
BlueMageBrandon says... #22
Yep! Quote from @TheManaSource, "Some additional info, all foils of Kaya will be this altered art image so it'll be a bit easier to get than people think!"
August 24, 2016 10:07 a.m.
00xtremeninja says... #23
If Dack would have been alternate art he'd command even bigger money. It's like the Ugin arts all over again
August 24, 2016 4:01 p.m.
davidsays1 says... #24
So foil alt art deck would be like 450-500 of that existed? Cuz for the original conspiracy his foil alone was 300 lol. Damn just imagining that is interesting
August 24, 2016 4:44 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #25
I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but now that the set is completely spoiled, what sort of draft archtypes (if any) do you see? The 'monarch' theme seems spread across all the colors, but after spending some time looking at just the commons, I'm having a tough time deciding if this is just another 'draft the good card' set or not. Are there archtypes to be drafted even? (Other than the typical UW fliers, RB removal, etc found in every set)
August 25, 2016 9:46 a.m.
I feel that this is relatively important: considering how good this set was with reprints, we shouldn't complain to Wizards about little things like IoK being out of context, because Wizards might listen to us and never do another set like this.
Another sidenote, since this is unlimited print run, prices on pretty much all of the reprints are going to tank a lot and for a while. MTGGoldfish predicted that the prices would go down to about half of what they are now, even after already dropping. For example, a ~$5 IoK.
August 25, 2016 10:49 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #27
The only draft type I saw was "Pick berserk and kill your opponent".That's gonna be my only goal - getting berserk and killing stuff. Livin' the dream.
August 25, 2016 10:52 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #28
EpicFreddi- That's my plan too! Berserk is pretty much all I need to get a dual-less legacy infect list together, so If I'm lucky enough to open one I'll likely be on the green creatures plan :)
August 25, 2016 11:12 a.m.
Thesecrets139x says... #29
might i just suggest...
http://www.magicspoiler.com/conspiracy-the-reign-of-brago/
August 25, 2016 11:42 a.m.
Hellkite Tyrant is a valuable friend to Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
August 25, 2016 2:38 p.m.
zephramtripp says... #31
I find it strange that a set named "Conspiracy" has only twelve conspiracies. But then again original conspiracy only had thirteen, so I guess its fine?
August 25, 2016 2:39 p.m.
BlueMageBrandon says... #32
So with the set being released today, what are some tips you guys have for drafting?
August 26, 2016 12:16 p.m.
AwezomePozzum says... #33
I thought stores aren't allowed to do events until Tomorrow?
August 26, 2016 12:40 p.m.
Selvala does seem reeeeal good in draft... hm... Is there anything you would first pick over her?
August 26, 2016 2:24 p.m.
kengiczar Foil Berserk. Or any Show and Tell/Berserk. Who could resist?
August 26, 2016 2:51 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #37
I am not certain where to mention this, but I saw an article on the internet recently about how Kaya is this game's first female planeswalker who looks to be African (if she lived in our world), which would be a great way to add diversity to this game, but I notice that she has large and poofy hair. Does anyone here feel that it is too stereotypical for Kaya to have such a hairstyle, or am I looking too much into this issue?
August 27, 2016 12:50 a.m.
genericaura says... #38
DemonDragonJ I'm just some white guy so my opinion isn't worth much on the subject, but I'd go with whatever African people seem to be saying. Since Wizards brought in a Black woman with lots of writing credentials to help make the character organic and not just a caricature, I'd assume it's fine.
August 27, 2016 1:53 a.m.
DemonDragonJ No. I think it's too stereotypical for each PW to look humanoid or have a binary gender.
These assumptions escalate too quickly, and it's best to avoid them in case you accidentally cause unnecessary controversy.
August 27, 2016 5:14 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #40
DarkLaw: I'm not quite sure what point you're making, but there have been non-humanoid planeswalkers (Nicol Bolas and somewhat Ajani and Xenagos) and non-binary planeswalkers (Ashiok). I assume you know that, though?
August 27, 2016 5:40 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #41
Daedalus19876 Did we ever actually find out what gender ashiok had or did "it" just identify as a battle-helicopter?
August 27, 2016 5:42 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #42
EpicFreddi: Ashiok does not conform to our petty human definitions of gender. Ashiok does not like the term "it". Ashiok likes to be referred to in the third person without reference to gender. Ashiok may have had a gender in the past but has one no longer.
In our "human" terms, Ashiok is either agender or non-binary (or both).
August 27, 2016 5:56 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #43
Aight then. I'll call Ashiok "dudesis" from now on.
August 27, 2016 6:03 a.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #44
There's a hilarious article from Wizards about this. I'd have to go find it, but it uses the word Ashiok in every sentence for like ten paragraphs (no pronouns for Ashiok!).
August 27, 2016 6:05 a.m.
Daedalus19876 I was being sarcastic. There are also arguments that the dragons are drawn humanoid frequently, but that's besides the point.
August 27, 2016 6:25 a.m.
"Ashiok may have had a gender in the past but has one no longer.
In our "human" terms, Ashiok is either agender or non-binary (or both)."
Where are you getting this from, Daedalus19876, because everything I've read about Ashiok says Ashiok's gender - like almost everything about Ashiok - is unknown?
August 27, 2016 6:30 a.m. Edited.
Daedalus19876 says... #47
Lame_Duck: For the former, Ashiok's backstory says that Ashiok used to be a baseline human before Ashiok's...gradual transformation into what Ashiok is now. I assumed that Ashiok's pre-human form had a gender (though "sex" would be more accurate were I using terminology correctly). The second half - about Ashiok being agender or nonbinary these days after Ashiok's transformation - was taken from an answer by MaRo, I believe. I'd have to find the citation.
August 27, 2016 6:44 a.m.
Well the most direct answer I could find about it on Blogatog is this one.
"What is Ashiok's gender?
Unknown."
August 27, 2016 6:55 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #49
So, did anyone draft Conspiracy last night? It seemed to be one of the most grindy games of magic I have ever had the (dis)pleasure of playing. I had a sweet jund deck that was only creatures and removal with a Burning Wish SB of Selvala's Stampede and Overrun. I eventually lost once the game turned into a game of Archenemy against me. The other guy that had a board finally got through to kill me and another player by monstrous-ing a Stoneshock Giant and swinging in with a 22/22 Havengul Vampire among others.
Selvala's Stampede is an awesome card! It's essentially a 4-for 1 as long as you have 2-3 permanents in your hand. Me and 1 other person voted wild and I flipped a Nessian Asp and Archdemon of Paliano off of it. I was also able to put a creature and a land from my hand into play all at once. The card is just bonkers, and I'm sure it will see EDH play!
August 27, 2016 8:33 a.m. Edited.
My game (in part because my draft, too) was awesome. My pack 1 pick 1 was Sovereigns realm, and I ended up building Mardu Monarchs splashing UG because Realm.
In game, I was able to get 2 Marchesa's Decrees and a Knight of the Black Rose out very quickly, so I held the monarch for long periods where I'd build up more resources and controlled overwhelming opponents. If i did lose my throne, I had loads of spells to reclaim it without combat. I ended up eliminating my dad and winning, and as he eliminated the other two, we both netted 2 prize packs!
DarkLaw says... #1
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ChiefBell You know, I just looked for it, but I can't find it. I thought it was in a recent article on the mothership, but it could have been elsewhere. Anyway, it's common knowledge that a theme (but not focus) of the set was to reprint some cards that work well in the draft environment but are also useful or even needed in other formats (which is what the passage stated). Considering that modern is the only non-eternal format that they can do this for, other than the kitchen table, it is inevitable that we get some eternal reprints, though I admit that my use of the word "orientated" was perhaps too loose.
DrFunk27 I'm sorry, but your assumption, or at least implication, that a set can be marketed for exactly one purpose is simply not true. We can say this because we have examples to disprove this. Eternal Masters is one such set, marketed towards providing much-needed reprints to eternal formats and providing a older-style limited environment, and probably more. For the rest, please see above.
MagicalHacker I believe I conveyed my reasons, albeit confusingly, in an earlier post.
Regarding Daretti seeing play, the biggest obstacle is a large one: his color identity. His red means you can't stick him in esper artifacts decks, and his black means the same for red artifact decks. You can, however, find the odd Mishra or Reaper King deck to stick him in.
As for legacy and vintage, simply put, I am skeptical that he is powerful enough, but time will tell.
August 22, 2016 4:16 p.m.