I hope the RC drops the banhammer hard on Unfinity.
Posted on Sept. 24, 2022, 12:35 p.m. by TypicalTimmy
So many cards in Unfinity blatantly break the rules of the game to the point that I feel it is far too disruptive, and they should be banned outright.
- Not every card, but many of them.
Photo Op makes the game insanely more complicated, requiring you to pose as the artwork of a card, post it online and await a reply.
Opening Ceremony asks you to open a pack from a set and cast spells from it, which you're not suppose to be using cards from outside the game as it is.
Tug of War is just an annoying version of Shahrazad.
Exit Through the Grift Shop literally will not work in most circumstances, but there are occasions at your LGS where it will, and that is just disruptive.
Phone a Friend is just... ugh. Imagine trying to call people over and over awaiting a reply, just so the fucking game can continue.
Sole Performer, I just can't even with this damn thing.
Don't Try This at Home... Jfc, so you know weebs and incels are going to do the whole "HAHAHA BUT SHE'S HOT ISN'T SHE HOT SHE'S HOT OMG SHE'S SO HOT" bullshit.
Seriously, the more I read these cards, the more they just need to be outright banned.
Claire D'Loon, Joy Sculptor just outright SHATTERS one of the game's core rules - TOKENS ARE NOT CARDS AND DO NOT EXIST ON ANY ZONE OTHER THAN THE BATTLEFIELD.
I seriously hate this set so much.
This set is trying to have it's EDH cake and eat it too; trying to do too many things and be too many things at once, it's getting pulled in so many directions that it's failing at all of them.
September 24, 2022 1:56 p.m.
All Unfinity cards should be banned. This is a direction no one asked for and no one wants
September 24, 2022 1:57 p.m.
Dead_Blue_ MaRo wants it, and we have to live with it.
September 24, 2022 2:03 p.m.
I agree that there are cards that make the game less... "pure". I think some of the cards have situational usage. (I'll most likely pick up a copy of Don't Try This at Home to put into my Rakdos Fire Performer themed deck)
However, I think this all depends on where and how often you play. If you game with a regular group then it's a meta discussion. If you game with randoms at a shop in an (sub)urban sprawl then it's a Turn 0 chat.
There are work around though. Instead of internet confirmation, et cetera, it can be a group vote or an outsider who gives feedback.
That said, I too have been playing this game for longer than a grown adult probably should engage with a "childish thing" (and I'm not stopping so...) and as such an fairly serious about my decks, the game design and flow, the overall purity of the game, but this game is supposed to be fun. We live in an absurd world and it's getting more so, I feel (Millennial/Gen-Z humor, anyone?). So why shouldn't the things we enjoy evolve to keep pace with it's target demographics?
September 24, 2022 2:32 p.m.
I'm just waiting for someone to try to figure out which of the cards are cEDH viable, so I can get mad about it.
September 24, 2022 3:16 p.m.
I'm not trying to defend Unfinity, but I don't think any of the cards in the OP will be banned, because none of them will be legal in in any sanctioned format. They all have the "acorn" foil stamp that's replacing silver borders (another decision that I disagree with, but WotC keeps not putting me in charge), so they won't be legal in anything but casual.
I'm skeptical of the whole stickers deal (which will be eternal format legal), but waiting to see other people's reactions after actually using them.
And if Claire D'Loon's bad, have you seen Rules Lawyer?
I've only played a handful of Un-games, once with a borrowed deck and a few times as a cube. Those were fun. I'm not sure Photo Op can actually work in these situations: "Hey, before we start, everyone take a picture and post it. Whatever you think you're going to draft this time." I do kind of want to skim anything with #GuessThatMagicCard a week after release and see how popular it is.
And this is the first time I've seen Sole Performer... I think I understand, like you get two free taps for Prodigal Pyromancer or whatever? And the interaction with Kiora's Follower might actually be broken. I think.
September 24, 2022 3:39 p.m.
None of the cards you listed will be legal, just like none of the cards from unstable, unhinged, or unglued are legal... There are some cards that will but only attractions are really different from anything that already existed.
That's a lot of hate for cards that were never going to be legal anywhere - and honestly too much even if they were.
September 24, 2022 5:32 p.m.
I'm fine with un-sets existing, I have no issue with people enjoying them. I don't enjoy them. They should have kept the silver border and stayed banned in normal edh games.
September 24, 2022 5:32 p.m.
Please believe these (legal) cards have been vetted by the RC and they've signed off with their approval. With commander being THE format keeping wotc afloat, a set where they introduce wonky mechanics will certainly have r&d making a call to the RC for their input.
September 24, 2022 6:49 p.m. Edited.
None of the cards you mentioned are legal anyways, but your point is still valid.
Space Beleren to me represents the worst that Unfinity has to offer for MTG. It's just the kind of low-impact yet headache inducing card that makes it incredibly difficult to keep track of anything at all. It's fun and silly for an un game but I expect a lot of flat faces when people want to sit down for a game of legacy and someone plays a freaking Space Jace.
Not that MTG can't be goofy. A lot of cards were goofy and fun before this, but they at least had mechanics that stayed within the bounds of the game. Unfinity is a headache more than anything, which sucks because when I saw the lands and saw the theme of the set, I was so excited. A multiversal space circus is a wonderful idea for an unset. And I was even cool with a couple of cards like Saw in Half being legal. They were silly but perfectly reasonable and, heck, could even see a reprint some day. But I think Space Beleren and the sticker mechanic absolutely ruined the fun for me.
Hopefully the RC does ban Unfinity. I haven't been on Twitter since the spoilers picked up so I wouldn't know in any case.
September 24, 2022 9:38 p.m.
Even Space Beleren is just Raging River+ and if it showed up in a standard set without the keyword and said piles rather than sectors nobody would care. (Is it really that difficult to keep your creatures in three piles?) Also 0 chance it sees any play in legacy anyways.
Aren't stickers basically just complicated ability counters? They stay on in the graveyard but Skullbriar already held counters across zones so it's not totally new. Attractions take an entire extra deck, why not complain about that?
Also people are shocked about Unfinity stretching the bounds of the game like wizards hasn't made Mutate, Companions, Night/Day, Cleave, or Dungeons in the past three years alone - each of which was radically beyond anything that had been done before...
September 25, 2022 1:04 a.m.
I’m really confused as to how both the sticker decks and the attraction decks will be legal in EDH. Like, don’t wish cards not work specifically because the RC wanted EDH to be 100 total cards period? I get that Wizards pushed this idea with partner commanders and companion but 20 (then 13 once the game starts) extra cards to the side seems like a lot. It’s so weird to me that someone can literally go “Here’s my legal 122 card deck for this 100 card singleton format” ... sigh
September 25, 2022 2:12 a.m.
Unfinity feels like that old episode of Pokémon where Ash and the gang get trapped in Sabrina’s doll house; we are the gang, Hasbro is the shifting haunted doll house squeezing the energy out of us, and MaRo is the possessed child spirit pissed that no one wanted to play with his un-sets.
September 25, 2022 2:17 a.m.
I'm honestly just not sure why they changed from the old silver-border joke sets. Those cards were just as playable in EDH, pending a rule 0 conversation, and won't lead to gamebreaking and obnoxious gameplay the way these newer cards will because of the implied rule zero conversation.
The problem with cards like this, is that if I don't like playing against the joke-format cards, there's nothing I can do. There's no expectation of a pre-game conversation to alert me to the fact that there are joke cards incoming. There's no in-game "hey just so you know that card isn't EDH legal, next time let us know you're playing it ahead of time" way to correct for a surprise appearance. The cards just... are legal. And have to be treated like regular cards, even though the designs aren't regular.
September 25, 2022 4:36 a.m.
Vasseer Space Beleren is just Raging River with extra steps, and extra sectors. And believe me, I'd pretty much be just as mad about the card's existence if it were printed in a normal Standard set.
And you say that people are shocked that they're stretching the boundaries of the game but that they've already done that... and?
Mutate was a massive headache for everyone involved.
Companion was so insanely game-breaking that the actual text of the ability had to be changed so that Vintage, the most powerful format in the game, did not buckle.
Night/Day elicited grumbling from the community too, just not as much because it's infinitely easier to track because it's an end step trigger.
Cleave didn't really stretch the boundaries of the game. It's basically condensed kicker.
And Dungeons were also the source of quite a bit of confusion and grumbling early on, especially initiative as it forced your opponents to track their progression too.
Skullbriar, the Walking Grave was a one off card. That's much easier to keep track of.
And yeah I honestly forgot about Attractions, simply because I'm still kind of in shock from the fact that, yes, they are a real thing that exists.
September 25, 2022 8:09 a.m.
My playgroup and I are currently conversing about this set. One player and I want nothing to do with these cards. Even if the group votes the set ok for our group, we will not be playing them. But we're hoping that, if we're uncomfortable with them, others are as well. We're old enfranchised players, though. The newer players might not feel anything as dramatically amiss.
September 25, 2022 11:41 a.m.
I will say, just so this thread doesn't become an echo chamber of "This set is horrible and shouldn't exist," that there are a lot of interested and supportive comments on Mark Rosewater's blog. So, once again, I suspect the game will not go down in flames.
Again, I'm going to skip Unfinity, and I disagree with multiple decisions made around it, but M:tG will survive, and people who did want this product are satisfied.
September 25, 2022 3:32 p.m.
I don't mind Unfinity, it's them trying to add it to EDH when other Un-sets are blanket not allowed, save Rule 0.
September 25, 2022 3:44 p.m.
Yeah, waking up today and looking at the previews I'm a little more comfortable with the cards' existence. Space Beleren is still unholy but I actually kinda vibe with the pseudo-Dungeon, pseudo-Planeschase cards that are Attractions. Actually thinking about making a The Most Dangerous Gamer deck. I think once the initial shock wears off a lot of us will be in the same boat.
September 25, 2022 3:48 p.m.
Plus, I can't be that mad at a set that has Vorthos, Steward of Myth P in it. The art on the promo is- I feel like I'm finally being represented ^u^ I need a copy of this card to put on my door lol
September 25, 2022 4:22 p.m.
Even looking just at the black-border legal cards, this set is infected with garbage that will be played by "that guy" at your LGS. From Space Jace to Stickers (where the random element means you are not really building a deck around them, you're just trying to be annoying) to attractions to just other cards that add "silliness" to the game... you just know these are not going to see too much in the way of legitimate play, and mostly will be used by the immature troll who thinks "hehe look how funny I am for making your game CrAzY!"
A troll card every now and then is fine; an entire set based around them... bleh.
Not that it matters--the fact it has Shocks in it will drive sales and make the set successful, and we'll all but certainly see more of these ZaNy! sets moving forward.
September 25, 2022 4:47 p.m. Edited.
Breathe... All the cards mentioned in post are acorn stamped, i.e. not legal in any format besides the closed draft environment this set offers as a fun game night with friends. Unless rule zero'd in you won't find any of these cards in constructed formats like modern,legacy,vintage,or edh. So just breathe an relax people! Thank you <3
September 25, 2022 8:15 p.m.
DoomNoodle True but there are still valid concerns over the implications of non-acorn, eternal legal cards as well. Most of the above is a reaction to those. Again, bringing a 122 card deck is now legal in EDH; for many, that’s simply a huge pill to swallow. Of course, the game will survive and continue but these are undoubtedly massive changes with fundamental precedents rewritten - it’s a lot to process.
September 25, 2022 8:44 p.m.
CoarselyRefined, let me give you some advice. Maturity is overrated.
As for Un-sets and Magic, I paraphrase the great Barry Fitzgerald in The Quiet Man when I say "When I want Silver, I play silver. When I want Black, I play Black.
September 26, 2022 8:08 p.m.
TheoryCrafter stares you in the eye as he breaks out a 100% White border deck
September 26, 2022 8:59 p.m.
All of the cards you are complaining about are cards with "acorn" stamps which means they're not legal in Eternal formats such as Commander. So since they're already not legal, do you want them to be double illegal? I know that this may be confusing because "acorn" cards are a new thing, but for your own health maybe you should ask, "hey are all of these cards actually going to be legal in Commander?" before going on a long rant about cards that aren't going to be legal in Commander.
September 26, 2022 10:12 p.m.
Bringing extra decks into MTG is an annoyance, and just creates more headache honestly. Just like initiative making me track dungeon progress when I'm not even playing the cards, it's just making the battlefield more confusing and convoluted. Plus, I have to consider making Attraction and Sticker decks for decks with theft themes, whether or not I play any cards from the set. Not just in EDH, but in the eternal formats where Ragavan is a staple.
It's not even a good argument that they won't see play, based on WotC's recent track record understanding power level of formats. Lifetime Pass Holder is one of now 11 creatures that are CMC=1 that are guaranteed to make two pieces of sacrifice fodder, and not only is it 1 of 3 in black, but it is the only one that can come back from the graveyard for free without any other support.