I actually have an updated list that isn't running Mogg Fanatic . He was in there for mana dorks and x/1s, but I wanted to speed the deck up since I'm running 2 Pillar of Flame s main deck.

As for Vexing Devil , I am not a fan and do not think he is good in multiples, IMO he is only good when dropped on turn 1. That is the reason he is played as a 4 of in some burn lists. After turn 1, you'd rather see a burn spell or any other creature.

So you're saying that on turn 2 you'd rather see a Stormblood Berserker than a Vexing Devil ? I know there are haters out there, but if you truely consider your deck to be RDW, you know you need to pack the efficient red creatures in there. If he ends up being a burn spell, so be it, but the 'dies to removal' argument is just as true for any other creature you could play, so why not have a 4/3 beater? My normal line of play is to drop G.Guide turn 1, then if I have double V.Devil on turn 2 play them. Often the opponent will take 4 burn on the first one but allow the second one to live to avoid being at 10 life at the end of my turn 2. That's assuming he hasn't fetched/shocked himself before then. If he blows his turn removing him (or keeping mana up to remove him), than you swing with the guide and burn him to a molten pulp or Molten Rain one of his lands to keep your advantage. I don't know if you've tried him out before irl, but in all my experience he's pulled his weight when I needed him to. If you'd rather see nothing but burn spells turn 3+, then I'd say you're wanting a burn deck instead of RDW. I like burn decks, but I've had the difference explained to me when I've misused the term. Adrian Sullivan actually wrote a good article mentioning RDW in modern here - http://www.starcitygames.com/article/28535_Red-Deck-Wins-in-Modern.html. (Scroll halfway down until you see Red Deck Wins by Nicholas Heal). I don't like his SB tech, but the main looks decent. I just urge you to try him if you haven't and see. If you have used him irl and don't like him, that's fine. But behind Eidolon and G.Guide you'd be hard pressed to find a more efficient creature in red.

Use Vexing Devil , I think it is a great idea. Also, I get it now why your use Eidolon of the Great Revel .

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The revised version runs 4Goblin Guide , 4Eidolon of the Great Revel , 3Hellspark Elemental , and 2Grim Lavamancer . I have tried Vexing Devil irl and hate top decking him when the opponent is at 3 life and representing lethal next turn.

As far as RDW goes, I'm more with the interpretation that LD is what sets it apart from burn. The Molten Rain s and other LD in the board is what sets it apart from burn, though you could title the deck either way. LD is what really makes RDW what it is and thats what it was all about when I started playing some 17 years ago.

You should run Magma Spray because it's pillar of flame in instant form

@SpiritMarker except it doesn't hit players. If it did, it would be in here no question!

That's right haha. Still great side for heavy aggro decks

@SpiritMarker Searing Blood is for the aggro decks.

tell me how the eidolon works for you. I would think that it hurts you way more than say a control matchup

@asdf9660asdf I should really just add this to the description so people don't have to ask this question all the time. I'll copy and paste an explination given to someone else who couldn't understand why Eidolon would be in a burn deck. Before I do though, I'd like to just mention that a Burn deck won the last modern GP in Kobe with 4xEidolon of the Great Revel main deck.

dreamaddict says... #18

OK, I am stupid about this: why use Eidolon of the Great Revel in a deck where every spell you cast hurts you? Doesn't he go in slower decks?

August 21, 2014 5:49 p.m.

ConBurnMadMan says... #19

@dreamaddict don't worry, a lot of people have had a hard time understanding why the card is soo good in the deck. This is the best way I can explain it, he is free burn cards in your deck. Say you cast 4 Lightning Bolt s after you play Eidolon of the Great Revel . Thats 12 damage you have done to the opponent and 8 you have done to yourself. If your opponent has cast 2 spells that are cmc3 or less in that same time span, they have taken another 4 damage...thats 16 total damage. If one of your creatures gets in for a mere 2 damage, that's 18 damage to your opponent and only 8 you've taken from Eidolon. Most spells in Modern are cmc3 or less, so you are usually netting 4-6 damage from your Eidolon's.

Eidolon of the Great Revel is the best card in the deck. Old burn before it got printed needed 7 spells at 3 damage to end a game, with Eidolon, it's somewhere in the 4-6 range. The card has made modern burn/RDW a powerful deck in modern. You need 4 of in the deck without question.

I see the light now, that was a very good explination. How does thos handle the mirror match?

@asdf9660asdf on the play, you leave them in, on the draw you wanna side them out. This mirror match really sucks...

I play burn and mirror is pretty boring since the whole deck is pretty simple. Also pillar of flame so terrible and should be taken out.

Dragons claw is insta win in the mirror.

Pillar of Flame is a house in a bad matchup for bur, Melira Pod. It shuts down a lot of their creatures, but Kitchen Finks in particular. Pillar has been a house for me on MTGO. You can knock it, but my experience says otherwise.

You should never use a bolt on a creature unless its a soul sister or a vault skirge, you can easily race a fink and skull crack if they combo, melira is a good matchup, I enjoy blood moons also insta win against some decks

Would you use Guttersnipe to speed things up? Or will it slow things instead. What do you think?

slow it down a shit load.

It would slow it down

Maybe trade two Mountains for two more fetches, you can easily get mana flooded, ans they feed Treasure Cruise in the early game. The lifeloss in not much to consider because you're the beatdown against any deck other than Affinity.

10-12 feteches is fine, I tend to stay on the low end of that because I'm only running 3xSearing Blaze and Eidolon of the Great Revel can be painful sometimes.

I only saw 8, thought you were playing no Arid Mesa.

This deck is no longer jeskai, 4-color or 12-post! Also, you should maybe change the deck picture ;)

Besides that, how good is Grim Lavamancer? I have never tried her (him?), but for me, she seems quite slow.

Besides her, this is how I want my Burn deck to be, if I had the Money :)

Bump in the Night?

And NorthernRaven, you can easily make a good budget burn build.

Bump in the Night is not where Burn wants to be. I actually just talked about why Grim Lavamancer is good and Bump in the Night isn't where I want to be in another decks comments. Going for Bump makes our manabase more painful which was the same thing Cruise did except with cruise if it resolves you win the game 90% of the time.

Here is the quote explaining why Grim Lavamancer is where we want to be in this meta.

ConBurnMadMan says... #34

@bamfbanki Jund/Junk is almost an auto win with what ever build you play. Zoo I agree Searing Blaze is an all-star in, but Bump in the Night is not a good card in that matchup. It's sorcery speed and can't hit a creature, Shard Volley is instant and can kill their win cons. The flashback is also almost always irrelevant. Affinity is where you are way off. We are the control deck in that matchup. We dont race, we outclass their cards with cards like Destructive Revelry, Searing Blood, Searing Blaze, and Smash to Smithereens. You control their drops and win with timed burn. Also, Grim Lavamancer is an all-star in that matchup, he kills most everything they drop.

Grim Lavamancer was the card we dropped to put Treasure Cruise in the deck. It was just better card advantage. I think more people would understand him if he read a bit differently.

Lets imagine he text was, "During your upkeep draw Shock. Grim Lavamancer can't attack if you cast shock."

Everyone would argue how he is the best burn creature ever.