Commanders by Power Level [EDH Tier List]
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Updates for Ravnica Allegiance! —Jan. 14, 2019
Updates for Ravnica Allegiance! But first:
It's unfortunately become necessary to implement some changes to increase the quality of discussion on this page, which has been rife with personal attacks and uncharitable debate. We've banned the most egregious offenders from posting here, and have sent warnings to others that need a reminder to keep discussion high-quality and civil.
Making it very clear: personal attacks will not be tolerated. Treat others' opinions with charity. Treat your own opinion with humility.
Overall, a lot of the card analysis (often especially from confident posters) is often misguided or inaccurate, so please take what you read in the comment section with a grain of salt. Apologies to anyone negatively impacted by other commenters; please get in touch with the maintainers of the list if you have further concerns.
Changes: (Remember - these are early placements and may change with more development)
Judith, the Scourge Diva added to Mid Power
Lavina, Azorius Renegade added to High Power
Nikya of the Old Ways added to Mid Power
Prime Speaker Vannifar added to High Power ()
Rakdos, the Showstopper added to Mid Power
Teysa Karlov added to Mid Power
The Haunt of Hightower added to Mid Power
Zegana, Utopian Speaker added to Mid Power
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Xantcha, Sleeper Agent
moved to High Power, with plans to evaluate potential placement into Competitive. (List)
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/xantcha-combo-control/
Yeva, Nature's Herald moved to High Power. (List) http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yeva-draw-grow-combo/
() A note on Vannifar: Vannifar has caused a lot of excitement in the Competitive community, but the decklists and lines that have emerged so far seem to be below the threshold we would be comfortable considering Competitive. We plan to keep a close eye on this high-potential commander and will move it to Competitive if and when a suitable decklist has emerged.
TranscendingAll says... #2
At this point I'm just going to think you're trolling. Cause there's no way your that ignorant.
July 28, 2018 2:36 a.m.
Winterblast says... #3
n0bunga I guess my comment got list in the pointless discussion above but maybe you have sone time for a constructive argument instead...
July 28, 2018 6:04 a.m.
n0bunga: I've also been working on a Doomsday Yuriko build, and I think those piles could be a bit more efficient (though I'm still really inexperienced with Doomsday as a card so I may be totally wrong). First, I don't think we need Blightsteel at all. Thank to Putrid Imp (a fantastic idea I hadn't thought of at all) if we reach the single-card library state with Nexus of Fate, we can just discard Nexus to the imp main phase 1, shuffle it back in, move to combat and trigger Yuriko, flip Nexus, and cast it to get the extra turn and shuffle it back in, and repeat this. I'm not sure what we could do to increase the pile efficiency after that, though.
Also I personally think Yuriko's value lies in using her to open the pile, since that means we won't need a cantrip in hand like most other Doomsday lists would. If I'm understanding your piles right, you'd still need that cantrip since you're using Yuriko's trigger mid-pile.
July 28, 2018 1:07 p.m.
TranscendingAll please stop, you're incredibly ignorant. Using your logic, the only archetype that exists in cEDH is combo.
July 28, 2018 1:11 p.m.
Isn't Edric, Spymaster of Trest a competitive commander for aggro/tempo?
July 28, 2018 1:42 p.m.
ROFL SynergyBuild still at it with his simple list? :'( ...
Teir 1 haha TranscendingAll , Joshua is that you? momir vig teir one troll or did i get the wrong person, I'm your biggest fan if so?
July 28, 2018 3:04 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #9
Kiyomei - Simple list? I never made any list... nor did I ask for one, only did I say I was unopposed to one. What was that supposed to mean?
July 28, 2018 3:19 p.m.
TranscendingAll says... #10
Soren841. Normally I don't go this low. Thank you for showing me a whole new level of stupid.
Not once have I suggested that the only Archtype is combo in cEDH.
In fact it's quite the opposite. Ive been trying to explain to you that every magic deck can be derived from 1 of 3 Archtypes. Aggro, Control, Combo.
This is something that every other mtg player seems to understand perfectly fine.
You go to mtgtop 8. Every deck is broken down into 3 Archtypes. Any guess on what they are?
Combo, aggro, control.
You go to tolariancommunity challenge. In his videos, he literally explains that everything comes from the 3 Archtypes.
Kiyomei haha No I'm not Joshua. I'm just an advert Arcum player who truly believes the commander is tear 1, with the right list behind it. Because I crush the T 1.5 decks.
Arcum's consistency is on a whole new level being a tutor on a stick himself. Even in the T1 bracket I've never lost to a T1 list.
With my personal experience with him I'd even venture to say he's T0.
His combo is just as fast/ probably slightly more consistent and has more counterspells/silver bullets than any other Combo CEDH deck.
July 28, 2018 5:28 p.m.
"I've never lost to a tier 1 list." So you've never lost at all? Are your opponents that bad?
July 28, 2018 5:51 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #12
@Dankey I mean, if TranscendingAll only played a game or two, I respect that.
July 28, 2018 5:58 p.m.
TranscendingAll says... #13
Sorry let me clarify, never lost a match to a T1 list in a 1v1 40life.
July 28, 2018 6:08 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #14
Okay, that is much more reasonable, how many games have you played?
July 28, 2018 6:11 p.m.
TranscendingAll says... #15
Typical 4person games. Hundreds probably over a thousand at this point.
1v1s probably close to 50 I'd say.
Not the biggest sample size, and some of the 1v1's weren't against T1.
Two years ago the only reasoning I got as to why Arcum isn't T1 is because it's mono blue. Which didn't make sense with Teferi being T1.
So two years later, a decent amount of testing. I've come back with a improved list that differs from all the lists that I've seen. Not in a major way by any means. But enough to notice that the theory behind the deck structure isn't quite the same.
July 28, 2018 6:26 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #16
I mean... two years ago Paradox Engine didn't exist... so yeah, I would say in major ways the deck has improved.
July 28, 2018 6:30 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #18
Once late September roles around... yes I really don't count it. I am that person.
Good people like you and me hate bad people like me.
July 28, 2018 6:45 p.m.
TranscendingAll says... #19
Yeah I said two years because it's been 2 summers lol. Even though we arnt through the second one yet. So I just rounded. Lol
July 28, 2018 6:57 p.m.
Hi merrowMania
I really like your short estimations on a new commander and its possible tier level. I can't seem to find the estimate for the commanders in the esper deck and was wondering if you made an estimate on these?
July 28, 2018 9:12 p.m.
Yet all decks win with a combo, so aren't all decks combo?
July 28, 2018 9:17 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #22
A "combo" deck a deck based with a gameplan on the combo, and with the minimum interaction required to protect it. Control and Stax is trying to stop the opponents first and foremost, and then win with combo, at least that is the general consensus.
July 28, 2018 9:25 p.m.
A "combo" is whem you combine a lightning bolt and a mountain. Do that throughout your deck and you got a combo
July 28, 2018 9:35 p.m.
CrimsonWings3689 says... #24
Very curious to see where the commanders from Dominaria and Battlebond end up. Any idea when an update will add them to the list?
July 28, 2018 9:37 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #25
Dankey, nah, you mean a Hornet Sting and a Forest, obviously!
Soren841 says... #1
No Transcending, it means there arent any "archetypes" of humans. It's like saying every deck is the same because it's all still Magic. I asked you to not say more stupid stuff.
July 27, 2018 11:58 p.m.