None were the list that NoOneOfConsequence described, yet they said theirs was the best possible list for Shirei, that was why I was going over the absurdity of their deck. I am glad you understand MightyDarknut

SynergyBuild Uhhh, yes, you started by being a complete asshole and rude af. That's what I was referring to, not my suggestion for people to look at my list.

Also, I am, in fact, capable of generating that much mana, as I run cabal-tron, black market, and a bunch of other things. Exsanguinate often ends up being a more viable wincon, and I can easily tutor that up, of course.

As for the Mindslaver wincon, yeah, it's not great in multiplayer if there are still 3 other players at the table. You don't necessarily have to do the whole recursion gambit every time in order to find a way to win with it, though. Even a couple Mindslaver recursions can be pretty devastating to your opponents, and you don't necessarily have to draw every one of them out--you can sometimes kill them with their own Toxic Deluge or something (if they die to it, the spell leaves the stack).

As for the three strategies you described above, I'd say my deck is not that far off from the second one, but, fair enough, I do run a lot of cards that are completely dependent upon having Shirei. That's why I run my protection suite, and Command Beacon , and so on. Maybe that's worse than not relying on him so much--after all, cards like Nevermore do exist. I actually want to play a Shirei deck, though, as you said, that basically means I'd be better off playing some other commander for such a strategy. In any case, can we move Shirei up to tier 3, then?

I mean if it works for you I shouldn't be one to knock it. However, if you wanted to take your deck to more of a competitive multiplayer level I would suggest dropping the Mindslaver combo because as cool and flavorful as it may be to control players during their turns, the setup for it seems to be excessive for little payoff.

NoOneOfConsequence Yeah, Shirei can put up some... probably decent mono-black stax results. Your's wouldn't be the best version of a tier 5 list as the thing is set up right now tho.

You really have a thing for hyperbole. At any rate, whatever, I think everything that needs to be said has been said. I don't really have much else to discuss at the moment, though--except...

I don't know if the deck even does what it's supposed to--I've never even tested it--and pretty much all of these cards would be better off in some other deck, but I'll let you be the judge of it. If it's worthwhile, it might make Daxos the Returned worthy of tier 3: Staxos, The Neglected.